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    Quote Originally Posted by DQIKST
    Joshstix, what i am trying to achive is more a classic celica meet up for a coffe or lunch or cruise on a saturday night,
    Mate look back through Rods reply. You'll see that Toymods already runs a heap of events that practically nobody comes to. If there were other events taking away more from that then there would be no point running the Toymods events. This is one of the things I was reffering to when I was asking about how this would not be divisive.

    In reality if all the classic celica owners that are Toymods members come along to Toymods events, I don't see any advantage compred to running classic celica events.

    Maybe if you look at it from a different perspective. What would you think if Toymods started a Toymods JZA80 club? I mean they are the peak of Toyota's performance production cars in a far more real sense than a classic celica. Looks are the only area a classic celica compares in really. Plus going from Toyotafest attendance there were significantly more JZA80's than classic celica's in attendance.

    Honestly if 10 celica's turn up to a Toymods event or to a classic celica event what is the difference? Actually I'm going to answer that one myself I think you'd be getting less from going to a classic celica event. It's more insular, there is less people in total so you cut down on the amount of people to socialise with, get new ideas from and to expose to the good points of classic celica's. I just don't see any advantage of trying to cut yourself off from the rest of the community and I'm sure a lot of members would see it as seriously elitist.

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    dang, I just noticed this thread,,,

    the Toyota Car Club Qld was formed by renaming the old Celica Car Club of Qld - and what drove that name change was to be more inclusive of the Toyota marque and acknowledgement that the number of old-school Celica owners was a contracting (and ageing) bunch of people with less-and-less time for attending events and meetings.

    Like Toymods, we face organising events and meeting that result in fairly small (or zero) turnouts.

    The club up here used to organise motorkhanas - but with insurance costs, and now the requirement for CAMS licensing and oversight of events they've fallen by the wayside and all we do is encourage members to participate in the various competition motorkhana events run by the Cooloola Car Club, the Holden Sporting Car Club, the Ipswich and Moreton Sporting Car Club and others in the SEQ.

    We used to have a cruise every month - on top of an activity or competition event, - but with numbers falling to 3-4, we dropped that back to cruises when there weren't other events.

    Even our own competition events (Navigation Run) have dropped in numbers to the point where we're faced with: ending the series; running with another club's series (at a greater cost to members); turning them into social events.

    And our yearly show event has an uphill battle getting interest when commercially run events can draw huge crowds.

    We participated in the Classic Jap show but only had 7 club members put their cars on display

    The biggest issue we're all facing is retaining member interest while not burning out organisers and volunteers

    At our AGM, I pointed out to folks that the club (like Toymods & others) has two distinct schools of members: old-school restoration/renovation owners and modified/performance/motorsport enthusiasts - and it's hard to setup events and activities that appeal to both groups.

    Another big issue is the cost of doing this stuff: both for folks preparing vehicles, and organisers donating their time and resources to putting things on.

    A lot of folks come to these forums because they can't afford (or don't want to pay) extortionate workshop costs - but that then impacts on what activities and events they want to participate in. It's very hard to organise things that cost nothing to do.

    For a single Navigation run, I need to devote 3-4 nights of driving and checking, hours writing up route notes, supplying printed competition notes and the fuel (for about 400km) for the above nights - and the $5 entry fee goes nowhere near covering any of that).

    In previous discussions about this, an informal federation of Toyota clubs across the country has been raised as a way of coordinating club events, further promoting each club's activities and supporting national events like the Toyota Nationals.

    Whether this (a federation) - or growing the number of clubs out the wild and joining/growing them via internet access is the best way to go - I don't really know.

    Personally, I think we'd be better focussed on identifying what club and non-club members want to actually do and use that information to start any broader changes. It's what oiur committee endeavours to do and i'd guess that it's something that the Toymods board and other club are dealing with.



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    Personally, I think we'd be better focussed on identifying what club and non-club members want to actually do and use that information to start any broader changes.
    Charles, I couldn't agree more! Interestingly, it's the same principle I suggested to DQIKST only a couple of posts back. To clarify, what I mean is getting some sort of tangible suggestion or show of support for ideas on the table is the only way to get an idea of the demand for that specific activity.

    A lot of folks come to these forums because they can't afford (or don't want to pay) extortionate workshop costs - but that then impacts on what activities and events they want to participate in. It's very hard to organise things that cost nothing to do.
    This would have to be considered an element of the forums but not a broad classification. I'd say there are probably more people actively participating in the forum because they are genuinely more interested in performing the work themselves, learning, and teaching others. Personally I believe it's the learning part which needs to be focused on. In other words, what do people enjoy learning about? However, it is a valid point that there are many people who view/post who are struggling financially and do not participate in costly events for that reason.

    the Toyota Car Club Qld was formed by renaming the old Celica Car Club of Qld - and what drove that name change was to be more inclusive of the Toyota marque and acknowledgement that the number of old-school Celica owners was a contracting (and ageing) bunch of people with less-and-less time for attending events and meetings.
    Charles, this FACT is the key to this discussion. However, this thread looks at the above fact from the other side - ie, would a more specific club encourage more/enough members. The equation is still the same though - club + diversity = more members. Less members = less turnout at events.

    For a single Navigation run, I need to devote 3-4 nights
    DQIKST, are you as generous with your time and devoted to your cause as Charles is to the Toyota Club QLD? If so, you probably have a good chance of getting it off the ground. Do it again and again and there's the chance that your members might turn up regularly (if they don't bore of your activities).

    I'd personally like to see clubs identify the other reasons why the Technical and Conversions section works so well for Toymods. Then to apply those ideas to their own club. That's why I mentioned the MG Club who has now created their own glossy professional magazine aimed at vintage restorers. Sure, they have lots of money but there's nothing stopping clubs coming up with unique and new ideas to fund raise.

    I sell a specialist automotive polish and spent a couple of years attending automotive club nights (meetings) to get some exposure. What I noticed was that those clubs who were actively engaging in new and interesting fund raisers were not only making more money (which of course was spent on activites, thereby creating member interest and limiting tax) but also that the members were actually benefiting socially because more members could participate in the fund-raisers! Although this is slightly off-topic, I thought it's some valuable information anyone reading this thread may benefit from.

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    Yeah, That pretty much sums up what The Toymods Car Club faces. It's a good read Chuck

    The Toyotafest Weekend gets really good turnouts and is growing every year with interstate participation. That is by far the biggest event that Toymods puts on and it is a big job to get it sorted, and add more value for the interstate guys.

    Ibz organised a Classic Celica Cruise himself that the club got behind that was rated a success as well to the point where it is a planned yearly event. but the smaller stuff is getting lower numbers. and pinning an event that suits everyone is tough as well as pinning a day and time that suits everyone.

    This thread is provoking alot of thought on my part, I reflect on when I first joined the forums, Toymods was all about Modified Toyotas. Looking at things now it looks like the landscape has changed a great deal. The forums has now diversifided into somthing else. Under the umbrella that is the Toymods forums I see the following sub communities.
    The initial Toymods Modified Toyotas.
    Unmodified Classic and modern Toyotas.
    Research and development of conversion parts.
    Track orientated Community.
    The social side within the forums, and outside the forums.
    and the forum sponsors and classifides.

    Toymods has grown alot in my time, from a group in the hills disrict to a national and international information cell.

    At the same time the internet has grown significantly, The internet nearly dominates things like shopping, information, advertising. mainly due to it's convenience as stated above. it can be accessed anytime and is always there. I'm sure the population as a whole are starting to rely on having a connection to it. and this is why Clubs forums (all) are flourishing but the real world aspect is dwindling as a meet and greet can be as easy as opening MSN, Yahoo Chat, MySpace, Youtube, facebook or any number of other accepted communications vessels as younger enthusiusts enter the community and older ones leave.

    You have to admit that if you remove the forums, the Club would be in some trouble, conversly, if you remove the club then the forums would be under threat. The forums tend to generate Membership to the club however most people are simply satisfied to be a forum member. The club could make the forums pay to view however this goes against the basic aim of the club and won't happen.

    I'm getting a little off track here but the point being the longevity of a club in this day and age will probably revolve around it's internet presence, and it's ability to cater to it's forum and still operate a Club.

    I do have an idea in mind that may offer the best of both worlds for Sub communities to thrive under Toymods, whilst the core Toymods remains uneffected or benifits. The finer details need polishing, but may offer somthing more to the community if it can be done with current resources.

    Next board meeting could be a long one....

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    Paul & Chuck,

    You guys have shown a good insite into the workings and complexities of running a car club and whilst this thread threatens to run a little off topic I actually think there is some great information coming from all sides. I am not going to address the Celica sub group argument any further because I reallythink its been well enough covered for now.

    One of the topics I notice being mentioned is the information nights. Toymods has looked at these in anember of ways before with varrying success. We attempted to organise a technical presentation for each months club meeting but due to limited support by the attending members and promotion but the existing board it dies out as quicklyt as it started. With a concentrated effort it could have been a great thing and we do hope to restore it.

    What we have found tho is that information nights/factory tours are always well attended and are something we try and have happen at least once a year.

    Identifying what events people will make time to attend is by far the biggest hurdle faced by our event and social callender. We are halving our event/cruise schedule next year as a result of poor attendance so new ideas are always welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambolica
    Next board meeting could be a long one....

    Cheers
    Simon
    would be an interesting one though... I might make the drive up for a change.

    order the pizzas in?
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    I'd be keen to hear how your discussions go (in terms of our club needing to address similar issues)?

    Rodney/Simon: thanks for your feedback on my thoughts - it's sort of comforting to know that we're not the only group coming to grips with this...

    fwiw: our most popular tech nights have been a visit to Fulcrum where the owner of the biz talks about suspension in general then fields questions (mostly about sprint and hillclimb cars) specific to club members.... we would like to add a demonstation aspect to these nights one day - but that's for discussion with Fulcrum & others. At the last meet, we had >20 people and previous nights had hit the 30 mark. Fulcrum usually get a few enquries about work after these and most of those turn into actual work requests ... they're a win-win for our club.

    Whenever we've tossed up a workshop/garage meet, everyone's showed great interest - it's just been the timing and organising factor that's prevented them from going ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR22ZZ
    would be an interesting one though... I might make the drive up for a change.

    order the pizzas in?
    I'm refering to the Board meeting, not the Monthly meeting, however, as always, at the monthly meetings suggestions and ideas are always welcome.

    Chuck, Toymods has had Tech nights at places like Garret and Turbosmart which have been well attended esp concidering they are usually week nights and an earlyish start to suit the Business. Toymods aim to be a Tech based forum probably also deserves a little more "hands on" tech stuff. Somthing the board could concider for the future.

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    Guys,

    I hope I'm not diluting this thread too much. Maybe some of this information should be moved?

    Tech nights are great. But has anyone thought that maybe that information could also come from your own members?

    Here's a scenario to consider:

    Joe Bloggs Hot Rod club wants to get better turnouts to their monthly meetings.

    The club decides to hold a competition. The winner receives a brand new set of high-end Race bucket seats valued at around $1000 for the pair. The Race buckets come from U-Beaut Racing Supplies who discount the seats to $500 so long as they are given free advertising in the club newsletter for the whole year and are mentioned within the competition.

    The competition consists of presenting an informative tutorial on modifying/repairing/restoring a component of a Hot Rod. The rules are designed to keep a presentation to 30 minutes or less. To participate the entrant must produce a word document detailing their tutorial including a certain quantity of pictures obtained by using an inexpensive digital camera.

    Luckily the President owns a laptop with TV-out so the entries are displayed on a large screen projector with a step-by-step guide being presented by the entrant on the night. A ballot is passed around the attendees who rate the tutorial out of 10 for information. The tutorial has U-Beaut Racing Supplies header and advertisement inserted, is filed and then uploaded to the club website for members to access 24/7.

    Each month a new entrant presents their 30min tutorial. Each month more members attend the information night. So pleased with the night out, members often tell friends and associates how good their club nights are. More outsiders attend. Membership increases.

    At the end of the year Joe Bloggs Hot Rod club has an enviable library of copyright-owned tutorials on their interest. They also have more than 30 new financial members - enough to cover the cost of the $500 seats. Strangely, 15 of the new financial members don't attend the meetings but they are registered as having downloaded over half the tutorials in the members section on the club website. U-Beaut Racing supplies have had so many referral sales they decide to donate a new $1000 prize for next year's competition.

    So could this really happen or is it just a dream?

    A little food for thought.

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    Paul,

    I have had a very similar Idea when the club started the Monthly Tech nights with the meeting, Yours has a really nice twist to it as well.

    I don't think this thread should have the content moved, I think the title should be changed as all the comments are relevant for anyone who doesn't know the workings of the club, but wishes to get an idea or request out there.

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    Paul,

    To be honest I beleive with the right person in charge just about anything is possible within reason. Toymods was lucky enough to be started by one of the most energetic and passionate guys I have ever met. Luke shearman, the club founder had what it took to stir up the interest and get things started and the time to push and promote it. He also had the help of the right people which is always a massive hurdle. With the right skill set and the right people allot can be acheived.

    A competition such as you have outlined whould take alot of promoting but yes I can see it as possible. Maybe a tad ambitious but deffinatly possible if you think there are enough members within your club or surrounding it to get enough entrants to make it viable. The biggest hurdle I see you having is getting the entrants to pay to enter/join.
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    paul: brilliant idea - can i copy it to our club members for discussion/inspiration?
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    Maybe also nights for the things that arent so basic, for me I hate wiring in cars but am slowly learning. An info night on say how to wire up your engine conversion, or how to repair rust your self, how to do various forms of welding, and do minor panel repairs would be very benificial for a lot of people IMO. Stuff that doesnt often get covered. Most people can do all the mechanical bits like unbolting/bolting stuff, but there are areas that requires extra skill. Yes someone would have to offer the resources, equipment etc but with some thought it could eventuate to something.
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    paul: brilliant idea - can i copy it to our club members for discussion/inspiration?
    Charles, sure it's your idea - take it to the board and see what people say. In fact it's anyone's idea that is keen to give it a go.

    The biggest hurdle I see you having is getting the entrants to pay to enter/join.
    Rod, don't forget that the competition could be essentially self-funding. Sure, someone has to put up the initial prize value but this could be a loan from the club coffers or a fund-raiser if the risk is deemed too high by the members. (The risk being referred to as the chance of drawing enough additional financial members into the club to cover the cost of the prize). This way the entry fee could be free which is a similar setup to the Tech & Conversions section of the forum (when viewed by a Forum only member - ie: a non-financial member).
    EDIT - Note, competition would only be open to financial members of the respective club.

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    i like the idea,
    i was thinking similar today, bu twithout prize.. but it depends on each persons knowledge of certain areas...
    i don't know much, but i can ramble on about shit for hours, so would be happy to help when i fianlly get back in country (a while yet )

    i think this could be a great step... bu tthen again, tech knowledge is arguably better presented in a step by step format on the forums.. bu tthen again, it is not as much fun as having a few beers and throwing pizza at the presenter....
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