sr20 conversion into ra28

[bigmat]

cheers everyone again. sr20 box is 200mm longer than w58. mad dat racing here in sa has developed a bellhousing that will mate sr20 and celica boxes. expensive.

[timbosaurus]

expensive.

and silly...

[sideshow]

reason i said it cause someone started to rubbish the thought of sr in a toyota

if u like cars u should like all cars and conversions

i know this a toyota forums and cause of idiots on here always having a toyota only mind many have left

but anyway

i siad in more ways than one not in every way

the main reason they are good is the many many times more bolt on performance parts than most jap engines out there when compared to toyota mitsubishi etc etc

some of u should goto japan and see what shit they have there

u might actually learn something hehehehee

[spud69er]

hey
ive seen this conversion done a few times and i was almost going to do it to my ra23 but i decided to put the sr in my ae86, you dont have to cut the firewall or gbox tunnel, the shifter will come back a bit, and you need a ta23 crossmember because the nissan motors are front sump and
would be a crazy conversion,

[mrshin]

4G63 or FJ20DET would be the engines of choice, but if you want something you can actually find/afford/fit without too much trouble, then SR is probably the go. SR and 3SGTE are both problem prone in some areas, it's just that SR's are the easiest/cheapest to overcome issues with. You can buy rods/pistons/rocker stoppers/manifolds/cams/etc. for an SR quite readily, fit a reasonable sized turbo, and enjoy good power, or you can keep a stock engine with a moderately upsized turbo and a few other toys, and still have fun. CA18DET is also a possibility if you like playing around a bit..

The whole thing of bagging someone for wanting to mix brands is great - many give in to the name-calling, but the stronger few that survive SOMETIMES come up with great conversions.

[sleepin22]

I have said it before but fitting an SR20 into a Celica is like Butt sex in Jail, I can see why people do it but its still not right.

we all know your views on "hybrid" toyota's but you dont have to go that far. One could say the same thing about your parker lights You are the vice president and need I remind you that this space is called toy"mods". What has been said is true, people come on here expecting brotherhood because they love the same cars but hear individuals
of certain heirachy on here saying stuff like that and they leave. I can speak from experience as one of those people was me from the old forum. The thing that brings me back is that toymods would barely exist if it wasn't for people like us taking chances and being different.

Back to what this guy really wants to know, no structural mods are required to fit an SR20 into a first gen celica. Yes the shifter is moved back and probably sits a bit close to the handbrake but the handbrake can be move back also if your really worried about it. Although you might not have that problem at all in a ra28 because your front end is longer.

Jim,

Claiming the SR20 Shits on all 4Cyl Toyota Variants is a big claim. I tend to think of them as the Nissan equivillent to the 3S-GTE. (And the CA18DET as the Nissan 3T-GTE) There is no doubting they are a good motor but they are no better than a 3S-GTE, especially if you keep the comparison to equivelent aged variants (IE GTIR SR20 - Gen3 3S-GTE.)

If you are going to compare aged varients at least get it right. The GTIR SR20(1990-1994) 169KW was inline with production of the GEN2 3SGTE(1989-1993)165KW.

On paper, the sr20 edges out the 3sgte. On the road, it kills it. Bottom line is, any performance oriented engines can be made to go hard if you throw enough money at it. The question is do you want power that you will be satisfied with out of the box? or do you want to spend 5K after the conversion for you to be happy with it? Dont be fooled. Whether u choose a toyota engine or not, it will cost you same for the conversion.

[sleepin22]

fj20's are a great engine but they are becoming increasingly hard to find and expensive and their off the shelf parts are non existant/discontinued as it was superseeded by the sr20 in 1989. Ihave had the pleasure of driving an evo7 and the 4g63 is one mighty engine. Dont like your chances of finding a RWD box for one though. I dont think we ever recieved a RWD 4g63 so i dont even know where u would even start to look.

[TheToyman75]

George,

I think you may have misread my thoughs on Hybrid Toyota's. Personally its not a choice I am comfortable with for MY cars. Otherwise I would have put a chev V8 in my crown years ago. HOWEVER I can see why some hybrid conversions happen, especially the Nissan 4's into RWD Toyota's.

The CA18DET is a good engine, The FJ20DET is an awsome engine and the SR20DET has more aftermarket support than any Toyota Engine ever built. All come in a RWD platform and are an easy conversion. At work we look after SR20's turning around 300rwkw, FJ20's and CA18DET's turning high 200's. These are all street driven packages, altho some of the high output SR20's have trouble retaining a gearbox behind them, especially the GTIR Pulsar based ones.

I meant to delete the word age before variants, I origanally refered to the S15 SR20 but then chnged it as the GTIR SR20 is the closest comparison to a GEN 3 3SGTE in my opinion. The GTIR variant usines shims in the valve train as opposed to the hydrolic lifters and of course has the far superior Quad throttle body manifold. As a starting point for modified engine the GTIR engine is a nice choice.

I still beleive the Gen 3 3SGTE to be a better platform if your chasing serious streetable power but out of the Box and for ease of install the SR20 wins hands down. A 300rwkw 3SGTE or SR20DET both requires a good investment of aftermarket parts but while a 300kw 3S still has plenty of potential for more power, a 300KW SR20 is typically further into its development.

In summary I will almost never own a Non-Toyota powered Toyota but it doesn't mean I don't admire and appreciate the ones that are built well and offer a good performance package. My posts in your members ride thread should have made that quite clear.

[sleepin22]

If they are truly your views rod, and you do actually appreciate others doing something different in a professional manner, why cant you just leave it at that. Why do people always get discouraged, slammed and persuaded not to do it when they ask for advice. Bigmat wants to know if an sr20 fits. Not if there are toyota options. I dont care if he does it or not. The point is, its the same people making the same comments over and over again. You sound like a broken record not to mention contradictory over your last 2 posts. Get over it.

[mrshin]

4G63 can be made RWD, I think you use the Jap Sigma 5 speed, combined with another box? Not sure about that one though.

SR20 further into potential than 3SGTE at 300? Not all together sure about that really. I guess we don't see that many heavily played with 3S's in Australia, and those that are seem to be just like RB25's (and SR20s) - always being worked on, and never out driving!

[bigmat]

thankyou for answering the question you just saved me time and money. plus rep for you.

i am a die hard toyota nut as i have owned 6 since i was 16. 29 now. been in 2 write offs in celicas and had one show car. give a poo.

i joined toymods to speak to like minded people who wish to help other people in the quest to have a nice ride and i was not trying to put a damper on the real hardcore toyota people.

cheers to all that help. just cut rust out of car will post. ps mig welders blow big holes when uesd wrong.

[TA-022]

I have said it before but fitting an SR20 into a Celica is like Butt sex in Jail, I can see why people do it but its still not right.

Asif anyone would take that comment seriously?!

Obviously opinion spiked with humour so build a bridge and get over it Sleepin22.

You've a very arogant opinion i've noticed. It's a thread asking for opinions and advice and this is what Rod has done. Also mentioned in his posts are fitment ideas and how it would and wouldn't work ... which isn't 'slamming' and isn't 'discouraging' its informative.


That being said keep us upto date Bigmat ... im more a fan of Toyotas in Toyotas but i'm still keen to see what you do and how you do it.

[bigmat]

cheers. just a quick one for ya. got the bits just need time to put together.
respray, hilux 4 spot, roll cage(booked in), coil overs, power steering ae86 rack, g series diff(lsd 4.1) sr20t and all the other shits and bits + fully engineered for dutton rally, and the one here in adelaide( cant f*** remember) all good.

this love for the celica would not have happened again for me if it wasnt for the forums and all its info. cheers peoples.

[TheToyman75]

BIgMat,

Are you entering "Classic Adelaide" ???? What class ? That looks to be a really awesome event as is the Dutton Rally. Quite a few of my customers enter the Dutton. (We are also the NSW scrutineers for Targa Tassie)

Can't wait to see it in action. Have you got a members rides thread yet ?

[IN 05 NT]

im a fan of the sr20DE's nice chap NA power, and at 1/2 the price of reasonable 4AGE, the fact that there are so many good CHEAP bolt on mods, makes them a winner for a cheap engine,

FJ20's are getting old...just like the 3tgtes, and getting hard to find good parts for, mate just spent $7000 on having a full rebuild, with forgies, from stuart wilkins.....