whats the cheapest way to get engineered?

[1jzracing]

i need to get my car engineered

should piss-in as its a 2000cc toyota engine - g'box in a 2500cc bmw car, ive been told $700 up!

but i recon there must be a cheeper way its not like theres been any major surgery... it was only some mounts really

where who and how is the best way to get it done, im southern subs of sydney

[Mr Ed]

Move to Qld

[Lambolica]

The cheapest way would be to make sure all the relevant ADR's are adhered to and that everything the engineer is looking for is covered.

If it is a relatively easy swap then You might get away with as low as $550, but that is usually straight bolt in affairs that I know of.

Cheers
Simon

[kme023]

so do you really need to get the engineers report If you're downsizing?
I know the that the rta has tech help by email, but they are very quick to answer and will give you links to relavent docos'.. They were a big help with my sons car.
My daughter has a 1993 rv corrolla that was lowered, 17"mags, sport steering wheel, pod, pedals and had an engineer from wollongong (south of Syd) give it the slip for $325.00

Depends on how thorough they need to be, if it's a different engine then they can insist on emission certificates and thats dear!

Hope i have been some help.
Good luck

[1gt48u]

any engine or driveline transplant done in nsw needs to be engineered following
the appropriate ADR'S as stated
call the RTA for a list of engineers in your area
give them a call and plead insanity
its all inthe name of modifiying cars

my 2 cents

cheers

[infotechplus]

All this talk of BIG dollars

I replaced the SOHC 1600 VTEC engine in my 94 Civic with a DOHC 1600 VTEC Jap import and the local rally shop inspected it and issued the "blue slip" for $70, which I then took down to the RTA with my rego and pink slip. No problem.

Have I missed something?

My 1GGZE conversion into my RN85 Hilux is substituting a 2L 6 cylinder (admittedly supercharged) for the old 2.4L 22R. The rules as I read them were, for vehicles over 1100Kgs, the size multiplication factor was 3. So if my Hilux weighs 1200Kgs I'm allowed an engine up to 3.6L. I'm using same box, 1G bellhousing, 1G flywheel, and a new clutch kit behind the 1GGZE. Engine mounts are standard Hilux plus 3Y mounts (with two holes modified), larger radiator with thermo fan setup. No other changes.

I plan on going back to the rally shop with this project.

Cheers
Peter

[TA-022]

if the chasis wasnt released from factory with said motor the you MUST get it engineered.

thats pretty much the short and sweet of it.



mainly because obviously each manurfacturer didnt test there motor in other peoples cars
hence no safety checks have been done on the chasis / motor combination etc etc etc.

sohc to dohc in a honda ? well im sure it was released with the DOHC at some point in its life which as you stated it means just a blue slip to change the rego papers. different to a 'real' conversion.


cheapest way? take lots of photos and show the engineer before taking it in to try and iron out any issues he may have with your work before he starts charging.

but your pricing seems quite reasonable.

[joey]

on this note (sorry for the hijack),
I have got a new sport steering wheel, muffler and gear knob installed in the car, to make these "legal" i have to get an engineers certificate, correct?

If so (going by this thread) i'm looking at paying around the $300 mark to get an engineers certificate for these insignificant changes, isn't that a bit much?

[TA-022]

bit much? yes and no...

got a uni degree in automotive engineering?

[sideshow]

few years ago certificates where cheap because there were alot of engineers and they were not very busy

these days some of my customers tell me there is up to a month wait for some engineeers

that is y costs have gone up

demand has skyrocketed in past year and as each month goes past u see prices goin up

if u dont want to spend alot on certificate just buy a diahatsu charade and drive it round in std trim heheheheheeh

unless u know an engineer personally good luck finding anyone under 500

and they even range up to 1500 and 2000 these days

[CrUZida]

Gear knob doesn't need engineering if it meets Aust standards.
Steering wheel doesn't need engineering if it meets Aust standards.
Muffler doesn't need engineering but it needs to be noise tested by someone approved.

[Mr Ed]

BTW: CheApest has an A in it.

[infotechplus]

on this note (sorry for the hijack),
I have got a new sport steering wheel, muffler and gear knob installed in the car, to make these "legal" i have to get an engineers certificate, correct?

If so (going by this thread) i'm looking at paying around the $300 mark to get an engineers certificate for these insignificant changes, isn't that a bit much?

The only restrictions on the steering wheel change are that you can't put an aftermarket wheel on a car that came from the factory with anSRS (Airbag), and it must be a minimum diameter (so that you can still see the instrument cluster clearly).

The muffler only has to pass a noise level test and this would only be applied if you were pulled over because it was making too much noise. based on the Police subjective opinion. You could get a noise level check and keep the paperwork in the car if you felt it was borderline.

The gear knob must be firmly attached.

That's it. Don't sweat these minor changes.

Peter

[infotechplus]

if the chasis wasnt released from factory with said motor the you MUST get it engineered.

thats pretty much the short and sweet of it.

Transplanting a Toyota engine into another Toyota shouldn't be a problem especially when the recipient is probably heavier than the donor. Putting a much more powerful engine into a smaller chassis might cause you some headaches though.

mainly because obviously each manurfacturer didnt test there motor in other peoples cars hence no safety checks have been done on the chasis / motor combination etc etc etc.

I don't think it's solely a question of safety but one of engineering integrity.

sohc to dohc in a honda ? well im sure it was released with the DOHC at some point in its life which as you stated it means just a blue slip to change the rego papers.

The DOHC was only ever released in my car in Japan, not locally. And it puts out considerably more power than the SOHC, especially with a few minor mods. But I was told it did not need any engineering certificate.

different to a 'real' conversion.

Give me a break What's a 'real' conversion? One that takes the skin off all your knuckles, or one that requires cutting, shaping and welding?

Cheers,

cheapest way? take lots of photos and show the engineer before taking it in to try and iron out any issues he may have with your work before he starts charging

It all boils down to how amiable your Engineer is. Photos don't mean squat if the guy is a bit belligerent, or has had a bad day when he looks at your car. Looking at photos won't tell him anything about the structural integrity of your transplant. But I suppose it can't hurt to cover as many bases as possible.

[YLD-16L]

What engine in what car and what level of certification required is clearly outlined in the NCOP.

Here is my story:

I had a KE38, this chassis was released in Japan (and possibly elsewhere) with a 2TG (eg the TE37). I spoke to the ACT Rego people (Tech Standards) told them I wanted to fit a 2TG to my KE38 and explained the whole TE37 thing. The fat man at Tech Standards said sure no worries, as long as we (ACT Rego) deem it to be structuraly sound anywhere fabrication has taken place it will be fine.

So I go home, fit engine/gearbox. Make it all look respectable and front up to Rego to have the details changed etc.

I pull up on the pit and a couple clowns start doing the inspection, one asks where are my engineers papers. I explain that I spoke to them earlier and that some fat bloke in Tech Standards said it could be owner certified. Clown 1 goes off to find the guy, then returns and says he's on leave and that he wouldn't have given me that sort of information .

By this point I was pi55ed off and was in the middle of trying to explain to clown 2 that 2T did not mean the engine was a 2 litre turbo *slaps hand on forehead*

To cut a long story short, I had to get a $550 engineers certificate and when I returned with it for a reinspection some other ass-clown says "Why did you git an engineerz certificate for that conversion, you did'n neeeed tooooo"

I was so farken over it by this stage but the car was all legal in everyones eyes after that at least.

Moral of the story, get your info from engineers and your states government authority (RTA etc) and get your info in writing

With regard to prices, I don't know of anyone where I am that will do an engineers report for an engine conversion for less than $700.