whats the cheapest way to get engineered?

[joey]

you can't put an aftermarket wheel on a car that came from the factory with anSRS (Airbag), and it must be a minimum diameter

Well the TA22 didn't come with airbags so im safe in that department. The only reason i went aftermarket was because the modified one that was on it when i bought the car was too small so i couldn't see the speedo or rpm meter at all!

The gearknob is an 8 ball held on by some hex screws, its secure so i guess it's okay then.

As for the muffler i pretty much got it because it made it MUCH louder, i doubt it will succesfully pass a noise emission test. Maybe i'm just paranoid, but i can be seen being pulled over on my p's many a time because my car looks "modified" and some a-hole cop picking out all the little things. Anyway thanks for the info guys, brings piece of mind.

[SillyCarS]

go to uni and make friends with a lecturer who is a car enthusiest as well as an automotive engineer


freeeeee!!!

[brett_celicacoupe]

i cant understand how it cost so much

cost me $130 for the engine swap(inc chopped mounts), gbox, brakes, fuel system, etc etc

bit much? yes and no...

got a uni degree in automotive engineering?

was talking to my engineer about this. he said you get your BE(mech), its really not much after that to get certification to do vehicles.... give me a couple more years

based in townsville, he gets work between cairns and mackay. there just isnt many around.

[TA-022]

Transplanting a Toyota engine into another Toyota shouldn't be a problem especially when the recipient is probably heavier than the donor. Putting a much more powerful engine into a smaller chassis might cause you some headaches though.


I don't think it's solely a question of safety but one of engineering integrity.

integrity / safety .... tamata tamato

The DOHC was only ever released in my car in Japan, not locally. And it puts out considerably more power than the SOHC, especially with a few minor mods. But I was told it did not need any engineering certificate.

same chasis dont care what country.

Give me a break What's a 'real' conversion? One that takes the skin off all your knuckles, or one that requires cutting, shaping and welding?

ah ya know to me that swap is monkey work .... planning trying thinking creating ...
thats a conversion to me. But each to there own .... we all dont have to be as sily as me ..
i so wished id kept it so simpler now

It all boils down to how amiable your Engineer is. Photos don't mean squat if the guy is a bit belligerent, or has had a bad day when he looks at your car. Looking at photos won't tell him anything about the structural integrity of your transplant. But I suppose it can't hurt to cover as many bases as possible.

all true .. photos and diagrams will help identify obvious faults before costly viewings ....

like " did you use coke can to cover that chasis crack?! "

[oldcorollas]

if the car was not released with that engine in australia (for NSW) it MUST be engineered.
this is stated clearly in the NCOP and the NSW COP, ie, a certificate is not needed if it is a "manufacturers option" and all the option bits are swapped over.

for example, a 20V 4AG needs to be engineered in a corolla that came with a 16V. this is because it was not released ion Aus, and the engine never passed emissions here.

if you have swapped a DOHC honduh engine into a chassis where it was not available in Aus, and it is not engineered... then, i'm afraid it is not completely legal....

some dodgy places will say "itS' the same size, don't worry", but that doesn't make it legal (esp in terms of insurance ramifications)

the price of certificates went up because of the public liability insurance scam/debacle.
when the price of liability insurance went up, there were less engineers, and those left had to start checking more carefull and being less dodgy, since they became more liable for the results of their work..
the dodgy nearly dead bastards who would pass anything are less common now... and prices went up...

you might get down to $500 or so? cheapest i was quoted 4 or 5 years ago was $350 (just after the change, they were whqat? $150-200 before that..)

[4AGZE_rolla]

i got my ae92 seca engineered after the 4agze transplant for $400 thats including dash conversion and recaro seats all he got me on the first visit was exhuast noise so once i fixed that all sweet!
as for my mates sprinter he dropped a smallport 4AGE into his and was told he didnt need engineering coz a the car had that engine in japan and it wasnt to much of a signicant capacity or power increase!! now that is a ausspec engine in an ausspec car that came like that in japan?? his source was the RTA...
this debate comes out every time someone asks bout engineers... i figure even if it is engineered and it comes down to public liability for instance: if you crash into a crowd of ppl then the insurance & police will find something wrong with the car even if its legal and you will get screwed and your engineers report or lack of wont realy help you!! coz they always pick on the car enthusist?? remember Naomi robson on Today tonite talking bout a P plater that rolled his commonwhore and killed that little child on the side of the road (he was completly wrong yes but) she said his car was modified it had a BONNET SCOOP & WING!!!!! watch out.... see they will always find something!!

sorry for going off topic a little,, the cheapest way i think is make sure the engine your swapping is stock you dont hav aftermarket gauges and things like that and most of all try and do it tidy and properly dont so an engineer a mess of wires that is a loom and say but it works if it looks dodgey they will think you are dodgey!!
thats what i think anyway...

[1jzracing]

thanks for all the input ...... still no clues as to where in southern sydney is the tamest engineer to go and see

i know with confidence it will fly through as its spotlessly tidy with CAT quiet mufflers and everything is very neat, wiring etc

just thought someone might have a recomendation for someone they found to be good and reasonable priced

[4AGZE_rolla]

my guy was in wyong on the central coast Lakeside Engineering he was ok

[timbosaurus]

It makes you wonder how many fees they have to pay for their licence to pass cars etc.

I know they've gotta run a shop and all, but $500 for what they might spend a couple of hours on seems a bit steep. Supply annd demand taking it's toll i guess

[CrUZida]

Most engineers charge around $100-$120 per hour, which in the engineering industry, is on the lower end of the scale.

[inertia]

My GZE AE92 in victoria was about $570, had two visits.

First he identified that I needed disc brake rear or pay an extra $200 for complete braking test. Exhaust was too loud and I needed an emissions test.

Emissions test passed a tail pipe check with numbers that were indicative of the emissions plate on the halfcut.

Sure it's expensive but it's a damn side better than taking the risk that your un-engineered car may be involved in a lethal accident... what leg would you have to stand on then?

[o_man_ra23]

General rule of thumb, take your plans to an engineer before you proceed with anything. They will tell you if they think the design is sound. Take photos of all stages of work, the engineer will be able to look at these and spot anything obvious. Keep everything CLEAN, spotlessly, eat your christmas dinner off clean. This will show the engineer you have pride in your work. If you do these things, your inspection will be quicker, and cheaper. If you are not a confident welder, dont do any structural welding, you will get pinged on it if it looks like a dogs breakfast, even if it is structurally sound, and dont think that grinding the welds out is any better, they will just assume it is a dodgy weld (public liabilty).

If your going to put a loud exhaust on, you will be pulled up, so dont bother, make it a sleeper, much less hassal, and you wont look like you really want a fully sik bro WRX. A well restored and modified vehicle will gain respect with most cops as they see you take enough pride in your vehicle that you will probably drive in a manner which does the most to prevent you hitting anyone/anything else... but if you do drive like a dick, you will get pinged harder. Ive gotten away with a few things in my RA23 which you normally wouldnt, just because the coppers could see that I was an enthusiast and it was a work in progress (dodged a number of defect tickets on things like missing doortrims, indicators not working etc, while being booked for driving in a manner which causes excessive noise)

And the NUMBER 1 RULE which you MUST obey when dealing with engineers.... NEVER TELL THEM THEY ARE WRONG!!!! You dont go to uni for 4+ years and pass an engineering degree without having confidence that you are right, and somebody who doesnt have a deep understanding of structure and mechanics telling them they know better is really frustrating and leads to nit picking. You can, however, politely ask them to explain their reasoning, they will be happy to do this as they are charging you by the hour.

Cheers, Owen

[o_man_ra23]

Most engineers charge around $100-$120 per hour, which in the engineering industry, is on the lower end of the scale.

I can attest to that, as my work charges more than that at wholesale rates for experienced engineers.

Cheers, Owen

[hosking1991]

i remember my friend a couple of years ago had a bit of troble with hes inspecter he spent 500$ on the certificite and wen he went to the rta they said he was under invesitgation so he had to wait 2 months lol and he didnt get his money bak ether the car was an 85 4door bmw with ijz twinturbo haha he was still runnin the bmw diff

[oldcorollas]

when i asked about becoming an automotive engineeer, the "application process" appeared to be..
write down what experience you have in the industry, give it to some guy called (iirc) Con, and then he decides if you are good enough.... there were no pre-reqs at all, and everyone was really vague about how to actually get approved as an auto engineer apart from getting the nod from that one guy....

i hope it has changed recently.

and yes, some dodgy engineers get inspected.. which is one reason to go to a good one, not a dodgy one