3TGTE basic info needed.

[TheToyman75]

Yeah but it doesn't run yet so its really a good deal I here there is some granny pack corolla than runs alright getting around tho

Oh and Stephen, You should be able to get the wether strips for between the two windows from Toyota for less than the ones on Ebay !

[RT104GT]

Yeah but it doesn't run yet so its really a good deal I here there is some granny pack corolla than runs alright getting around tho

Oh and Stephen, You should be able to get the wether strips for between the two windows from Toyota for less than the ones on Ebay !

Some good advice from TOYMAn.

Here is some from an old Toyota owner from 1974.

1/. I love to drive fast, really fast.

2/. My ownership from 1970 goes something like this

1970 Manton Mini Cooper (998 cc high comp Weber 45) 100 mph. ($1000)
1974 Toyota Corona 1600S 4 speed 100 mph ($1500)
1975 8RB re engine 45 Weber 125 mph (+$1500)
1976 Toyota Corona 2000 GT 200 KPH ($4500)
1980 Re-engine the 2000GT and fitted the old engine into a RT132 coupe 200kph $7000
1984 Brock SS Group A $14000 250 kph
1985 T18 3TGTE Car plus engine $10,000 240 kph.
1988 Suzuki Swift GTi Group A $8000 200 kph.
1999 Toyota Camry VZV21 $14000 200 kph.
2001 1979 Datsun 280ZX N/A 200 kph. Paint and restoration $5000
2002 1976 Datsun 280Z EFI 3L 125 mph. $5000
2004 1982 LPG Turbo targa 280ZX 200 kph. $5000 +engine rebiuild $2000.
2004 restore 1988 GTi for number one son to go to college $3000
2006 1973 Toyota Corona 2000 GT back on road $5000 200 kph.
Ongoing P51 repairs $150+$140 + bearings $350.
Plus disc brake conversion $100+ oil, suspension, diff, tyres, etc $????
18RG timing chain ROMAc kit $395 current quote.
Provision for 18RG engine rebuild to original 88210 specs $2000-$3000. next year.

So apart from the initial increase from 160 to 200 kph in 1975.
And the Brock which cost $7000 per year to run.
I could buy a manual gearbox for the VZV21 and get another 30-40 kph I am told but I would have to do the brakes up and explain to the old lady why the family hack goes so fast now.

I have been stuck on a downhill run since then.
and spent about $50G and dont get any faster.

not to mention unmarked silver SS Holdens and red light speed cameras and licence demerit points scheme and the price of petrol.

And now the daughter is lusting after the new Suzuki SPort/GTi also.

Get my point?

Quit while you are ahead. Or have lots of fun trying.

Whats the old adage.
No Mon no Fun Your Son?

Too Bad So Sad Your DAD!

[Stephen1974TA22]

It is better having something close to your dreams then nothing at all. A wise man once said.

With all the help in info you all have given me, and considering my budget of about $5000. Would a 2TGTEU conversion be easier + cheaper. Especially since the engine is $700 cheaper to purchase.

I have beeen reading a couple of threads about this conversion and could i get someone to confirm that the crossmember doesnt need to be moved.

With what i have read, the standard T50 gear box should be able to handle this engine with an upgraded clutch plate.<saving the drama of moding the gear box tunnel for a W55>

Is it possible to add a small turbo to this engine<later> When i can get some more cash, or is it a better idea to just save my pennies and get the 3TGTE. If it is possible to add a small turbo to the 2TGEU, would i then have to look at changing the gear box?

In any case. I will be attempting a brake conversion as soon as i read up a bit more and sorce out some parts.

Praise the Lord for car enthusiest and Toymods
Thank you for all the help so far and hope to hear from you all soon.

[TheToyman75]

Stephen,

The engine is the cheap part ! Your biggest budget issues is paying for labour. If you were to do the job yourself then you could get it happening for the $5k you budgeted (Not including a decent brake upgrade tho).

A couple of points.

# The stock Xmember will work UNMODDIFIED with a 3T-GTE if you use your Factor 2T engine mounts and have a custom turbo oil drain made ( Allow about $300 for the oil drain as they are tedious and a PITA to make. YelloRolla has a jig for these so can make it without your car)

# The T50 Gearbox will survive just fine behind a stock 3T-GTE, you can always upgrade it later.

# You can run it without an intercooler on low boost until you can afford one

# Allow $800 - $1000 for your fuel system upgrade if you do it properly ( And install it yourself).

# Exhaust prices vary wildly depending on what you get done

# wiring the efi will be the biggest PITA and can cost quite a few $$$. Speak to Witzl or Mos as they may take it on for you. Witzl knows where a 3T-GTE workshop manual is

# You do need a special clutch to use the T50. Depending on what flywheel you use I have one for sale. Only if its the 3T-GTE flywheel tho.

Fiting the engine and gearbox is not hard. You should try it yourself and learn about your car.

Fitting a 2T-GTEU will cost you exactly the same as a 3T-GTE, They both need the wiring and fuel system upgrades. Its only the price of the engine itself you will save which is easily out weighed by the extra power and scope of the 3T-GTE. If you want cheap get a carby 2TG.

Yes you can turbo a 2T-GTEU.

Cars are en expensive hobby, I no longer add up what mine have cost me as its to damn scary and I have had allot more cars than I am years old. (Most of them Celica's and all but 4 of them Toyota's). BUT if you have the disease then you need to start to do your own work or get used to public transport. There is plenty of information on this site about the conversion you want to do and enough people who will help with advice when your not sure what to do. In all honesty if you can't get in and have a go yourself you should give up now.

Get your hands on a good workshop manual ( I recommend the Tractor Manufacturing book with the yellow cover) read, learn and just do it ! You will make mistakes, it will take along time, it will cost more than you budget or car afford and you will get the shits with it. But it will be so much sweeter once its done and you have done it yourself.

Hope that helps.

[79GT]

hey guys, i have a quick question about. sorry to revive an old thread but it just follows on so well.

it was mentioned that you need a special clutch to use the t series box. any more info on this, i had not read that before untill now.

and will the bellhousing off a 2t fit onto the 3tgte, or will i need a different bellhousing.

also when i do upgrade to a W series box, will i still be able to use the same bellhousing or will i need a 3tgte original bellhousing which bolted to the w5* box.

thanks in advance.
Jamie.

[lilcrash]

i have got a 3tgte i my 1974 celica and the only mod is the passenger side engine mount the rest is all stock, but u will require an electric fuel pump of sorts as the 3tgte doesnt have a mechanical one.

[TheToyman75]

79GT,

What you need clutch wise will depend on what Flywheel you use AND what gearbox you use. The T50 has a much smaller input shaft size than a W5x gearbox. If you have the right flywheel for the 3T-GTE then its the one to use and any decent clutch supplier will be able to provide you with a clutch to suit.

Yes the T50 off your 2T will boltup to your 3T-GTE, When you upgrade to the W series you will need a New Bellhousing (Buy it withthe gearbox) AND a new Clutch (And a Tailshaft etc etc

[79GT]

so ensuring that i understand. i need a 3tgte flywheel. (not a 2t flywheel)

then take the flywheel to a clutch supplier and say fit me up. then all should be super.

cheers toyman. Jamie

[TheToyman75]

Thats pretty much it mate yeah.

Any T series flywheel will fit your crank but the 2T item is from memory about 12kg, the 2T-G flywheel is 7kg and the 3T-GTE flywheel is 6kg and takes a bigger clutch.

If you get really stuck I can organise a clutch for you and I do actually have a 3T-GTE flywheel I could part with.

[79GT]

awesome, if im in need i will definately keep you in mind. i transfered the money for my 3tgte on tuesday. but unsure wether or not a flywheel was still on the engine. but as you say, if i do really get stuck i can use my 2t flywheel.

thanks for the help, your a champion.