Help Make My Echo Go Faster?

[Koffee-Black]

Whose wife?? hahaha

What about the Turbo version in japan? What are the engine specs on that? Lower comp different internals etc??

Yeah a 4efte would be sweet, but what about a 4age or even better 2zzge

[RONA]

Just like your car.

Bah i'm talking at the flywheel not at the wheels.

[CrUZida]

Can't be engineered as its older then the car

Babow.

As long as the engine passes the emission specs for the build year of the car its perfectly legal.

[kingmick]

i thought the engine had to be later than the car?
i did an early sr20det into a late pulsar that hat the atmo 1.8 in it and it wasnt engineered for the above reason, just blue slipped

[CrUZida]

Nope, as long as it passes the emission specs for the year of the car its perfectly legal.

They have no grounds to knock it back.

[Joshstix]

I keep telling the Mrs I'm going to put the nitrous kit I've got sitting in the shed onto her Echo but for some reason she doesn't seem to see the funny side of it.

[RONA]

I keep telling the Mrs I'm going to put the nitrous kit I've got sitting in the shed onto her Echo but for some reason she doesn't seem to see the funny side of it.

Feed her some NOS first then she'll laugh at anything

[mullett]

I'm going to go with suspention. You'll make a 100% difference to the car, get a whiteline works kit (about 1500), and some decent rubber (not too low-profile or you'll shred it when you hit a pebble), 195/50/15 is very cheap to get decent rubber in, I guess it'd roughly suit the echo with appropriate rims? Either way. You could spend 2k getting CAI and exhaust without even trying and you MIGHT net an extra 10hp at the wheels. The difference? Sweet FA. If you want the placebo effect, put a free-r muffler on it, but then you'll lose the greatest points of comfortable, new cars: they're quiet! Seriously, do the suspention, if you want to modify it at all, and enjoy it. Is the car still under warranty? Because it'll be void if you mess with intake/some parts of the exhaust...

my $0:02

RM.

[BeRad]

to make it go faster sell it and buy something else, the echo isnt supost to go fast , or put a different engine in it, starlet engine or 3sgte if your game


you people have to much money stuffed if id spend 1500 on suspension if i owned an echo haha.

[UMP-man]

arent't there bolt on supercharger kits for echos?? just fork out and get one of those..

[RONA]

arent't there bolt on supercharger kits for echos?? just fork out and get one of those..

The cost 5 grand though hence why my brother dumped that plan.

5 grand in parts then he wouldn't of been able to fit it, then suspension mods, upgrade brakes etc etc and it still makes a tick less then 100kw.

For that kind of moeny you could have a 2zzge getting close to being done which would be faster, more reliable and a very amusing, I've seen a corolla sportivos come on lift out of a corner on Mac Pass behind me now take 400kg out of that car and it'd be farking scary.

I found pics of a 2zzge conversion that had been done when researchign 2 weeks ago, but cbf'd searching to find it again.

[fester]

rexeater, the simpler advise in the thred is probably the best. All those add ons on a 1.3 litre motor built for economy will be a total waste of money in the value for HP stakes.

We have a 1.3 echo as a little run around town car, which is about all they are good for and do bloody well.

I went to a couple of "reputable" exhaust shops that I have used over the years to look into the exhaust. We put a cannon style muffler on the back mostly to just get it sounding a little better. Teh onyl reason we went cannon was it was all they had that was reasonably priced and fitted in the lousy space. However I had them modify it to reduce the rediculous tip size down to somethign sensible.

The bottom line of all thsi was none of the shops recommended touching the rest of the exhaust as the original system is not too bad considering the size of the engine. It's not a drainpipe sized exhaust but quite well bent and as close to a full mandrel system as you get from a manufacturer. Bottom line not much improvement in changing the rest fo the system.

The upshot was that the car did go quite well with the rear muffler although we are not talking about ground breaking improvements. It certainly did rev and therefore accelerate better and pull better up long 100kph highway hills but as I am not a 12 yo duff duff kid the noise and drone drove me nuts and gave me a stinkign headache within 200 km's. To the point we went back to try and quieten it down and came to teh conclusion that there was nowhere else to really get another muffler in. Best hoep was to remove standard resonator in middle of system and put in aftermarket with additional cost and no guarantee of any improvement.

End result is standard muffler is back on adn we have learnt to put up with slight drop back in power and use car for what it was intended.

We just lowered it down a bit and put some decent wheels on and just put up with it.

From memory the air box feed did look a bit average as far as getting cold air but I never looked any further. That may be worth something, as oldcorollas says the standard air box etc may be fine but if it is not gettign cold air that is probably the only area to improve and if you can live with the noise get a freer flowing muffler or dig around a bit further and you may find something freer breathing and not much louder.

By the way if you are looking I have a set of factory Corolla Sportivo 16 x 6 rims for sale that will fit the echo and are in perfect condition. Has the centre caps and nuts ready to go.

[fester]

Nope, as long as it passes the emission specs for the year of the car its perfectly legal.

They have no grounds to knock it back.

Trouble here in Qld cruzida is that whilst you may be correct for WA last time I looked into this here you would have to pay big dollars to get individually emmissions tested. Unless motor is later model than car as that means it definately complies automatically. Transport department won't waste there time trying to ascertain if your emmissions are up to the same year. They take the easy out and say yes emmisions have to be the same or better but only simple way to tell is engine must be same year or later.

Quite pathetic but we are talkign government here.

[Vios-GT_07]

arent't there bolt on supercharger kits for echos?? just fork out and get one of those..

they did test it out and it wasn't feasable... 5 grand plus price and the drain of the supercharger on the engine made it worthless... i think it increased torque a little bit but apparently at the 1/4 mile, it was a very minimal improvement over NA... (this is from Scion website in US).. which is why i've kept my 1NZ N/A...

i have come across a 4A-GE conversion done for them in Singapore or Malaysia, not sure...

as for the turbo version of the 1NZ, in Thailand it's just a kit and a piggyback, and running low boost, something like 0.3 bar, stock everything.. and making roughly 130hp (stock is 109hp).. dunno about japan (for both 1NZ and 2NZ) but i was told they have some level of research and development in it so i'd assume it has lower comp pistons and such..

[Jorrs]

wow, some interesting answers here

only do what you need, that will make a difference.

check to see if you already have cold air ducted from outside the engine bay... most newer cars do already.

as for air filter etc... first, check (using a simple water manometer) IF you actually have a pressure drop across your intake. if the stock air ducting and filter etc is NOT a restriction, then you are wasting money there. pod filter or K&N may actually be no help at all, but those with them will usually tell you it makes a huge difference

before you splash out on extractors/exhaust, find someone who has RELIABLE before and after dyno graphs of the difference it made. it may be much less than you think (and the "effect" may be mostly placebo from the extra noise )

a lighter flywheel WILL reduce the effective car weigth off the line and in 1st and second gear mainly. that is something you will notice every time, and should give you better fuel economy also (asuming you use less throttle to get up to speed )

Some electronic bling will do SFA for you... don't bother.. unless you are significantly changing the engines needs (and being AFM, it is fairly good with knowing how much air goes in anyway )

voltage stabilisers and ground kits and HID and some random spark plugs will give you reasons to put manufacturer stickers down your doors.
for $1000 or thereabouts retail, you shoudl easily be able to get an exhaust manifold made up locally.

lighter flywheel (after you drive in a car with one first so you know what you are in for) and then sort out the suspension... and be happy with a slightly better buzzbox

thats pretty much all of this thread in a nutshell ^
just dont be stupid with your money and use your cash to create the most effective state of being for your echo mate...