New RTA rules for vehicle modifications

[Valkyrie]

How do they plan on enforcing punishments on Engineers? Said car is signed off but doesn't comply, how are they going to prove further mods were not completed after the engineer inspected it???

My engineer took photos of my mods. They were submitted to transport along with his approval of my mods. This covers the engineer, Transport and me

[o_man_ra23]

I'll have a look through the full document when I get time (and a copy from Rivsy in WERD format so I can read it properly). Judging by the swing in comments, it would seem that this isn't a doomsday document afterall, however like anything the Government puts together, there is likely to be an unfair or unwarranted point somewhere, just need to get the context right.

I need to have a look at the requirements to become a signatory in QLD. As far as I have been led to believe, you need a Mech Engineering degree first. If I can get through with an Elec Engineering degree and prove competence in automotive without doing a Mech degree aswell, I may just start doing a bit of study and get the qual.

[foamy]

if the further mods were done by a workshop, then they will be punished.

How can a workshop be fined? It's not illegal to modify a car, only illegal for the driver to use it on public roads without a cert.

[o_man_ra23]

If the vehicle was allowed to be driven from their premise on a public road following the mods, it would be deemed professional negligence, and would then construe an illegal act.

[Draven]

Lol I know plenty of factory cars that would fail that test, standard caldina brakes would too. Seriously how often does one stop from 100kmph, 15 times in succession on the road. .

this is just hilarious - I'd go ahead and say possibly up to 25% of the cars on the road would fail this test.

Plus it's a shit useless test, unless you're testing cars for suitability to go on a racetrack, where you might need to stop from 100km/hr 15 times

[foamy]

If the vehicle was allowed to be driven from their premise on a public road following the mods, it would be deemed professional negligence, and would then construe an illegal act.

The workshop has no legal right to keep your property?(unless you don't pay the bill). If they advise you it is illegal and you sign off on it then you should be responsible, not them. (Would be the exact same as the workshop telling you your tyres are bald and you just driving off, they cannot stop you). If I get pulled up in my Corolla and they find a Microtech installed and tuned by SAS, is it fair SAS cop a fine?

[o_man_ra23]

If there is reasonable proof that they knew you were going to drive the vehicle on a public road, then yes. Ie, the car is registered, and you didn't arrange a tow truck/car trailer to pick the vehicle up. If they ring you and say "your vehicle is ready for pickup, would you like us to arrange a tow?" then they would be absolved of professional liability.

It is a legal minefield, and if the workshop doesn't cover their arse, they can be fined.

[foamy]

Crazy, I could see it happening in the US, just not here in Aus.

[Draven]

so I guess the next question is, who in TAS or NT knows a mechanic who will register my car by post? I sense a lot more interstate plates appearing.

laws won't affect me, but I'm just getting more and more sick of the nanny state, and everything it represents. Like OC says, you aim for the 80:20 rule, and then enforce the law against the 20 (or let the 20 suffer the consequences of their own actions, when you're talking about people falling down stairs/tripping on a footpath and then suing someone else)

[oldcorollas]

How can a workshop be fined? It's not illegal to modify a car, only illegal for the driver to use it on public roads without a cert.

LOL, try to keep up

if a car is registered, then they should not modify the vehicle such that it compromises it's safety/emissions etc (ie ADRs). now, they can be held accountable (with a small fine)

how could they modify a registered car, with the excuse that "the owner said they would no longer drive it on public roads"....

if the car is unregistered, then they can do whatever to it, because the owner still needs to have it certified to be able to b driven on public roads.. so the onus is on the owner to get it certified by the engineer.

it is really very simple.

[oldcorollas]

you aim for the 80:20 rule, and then enforce the law against the 20 (or let the 20 suffer the consequences of their own actions, when you're talking about people falling down stairs/tripping on a footpath and then suing someone else)

is farked no?
give an inch, take a mile.... but thats why we are such an entrepreneurial/adventurous bunch
pity it also leads to a bit of social chaos/innocent victims etc...

if the media and public did NOT hold the government to account (to ransom?) about every little thing that happens, then we would not have such a nanny state. if the media were much more harsh and critical abotu personal responsibility, then there might be some instead they smugle sit in their editors chairs, just thinking abotu the next outrage they can produce......

which leads to a crackdown on us
/endrant

[Draven]

you're not going to find an argument here.

More and more I think Ed got the f$%^ out of dodge at the right time

[river]

Hi,

so I guess the next question is, who in TAS or NT knows a mechanic who will register my car by post? I sense a lot more interstate plates appearing.

I don't think that will help you. It's all a part of the NCOP and these rules will eventually go across all states.

seeyuzz
river

[Draven]

I'm tempted to do it just to save on rego costs!

[oldcorollas]

as I see it, NCOP is still just a guideline, such that if you modify according to it's "recommendations" your car should be accceptable to any state...

but it doesn't mean that any particular state can't/won't be more "generous" with their rules...

as if SA will ever have roadworthy inspections.. (i guess it would spark a mini boom as half the population had to buy new used cars from interstate )