RA60-65 Compatibility

[AutoXCelica]

Hi guys,

About to get cracking on a manual conversion for my RA60 shittah... Looking for a parts car. Found a really cheap manual RA65. Would i be able to complete the conversion with parts purely from this donor? Or is the possibility of conversion dependent on the engine and box thats in the donor car. I am aware that any 'W' series box should do the job... so i assume it has something along those lines... but i am more concerned about all the rest... clutch and associated parts... etc...

Thanks,

Steve0

[Corona_82]

hey matey, muzza has a rt132 corona for sale, as far as im aware they're mechanically identical to the ra60 ie 21r-c, w50 box etc and its cheap :-) yes ur looking for a 'w' series g/box, tailshaft might hav to be changed, not sure.

[JustCallMeOrlando]

An RA65 will be fine for a manual gearbox conversion. Everything should just bolt in.

[ed]

yes, everything will swap over from the ra65 donor to you ra60, completely without issue. youll need g/box, tailshaft, bellhousing, fork, cyl, clutch, flywheel and spigot bearing, clutch lines, clutch master and pedal assembly.

g/box x.member shouldnt need swapping, but have it handy anyway just incase

cheers
ed

[AutoXCelica]

Thanks guys,

Will get onto it and let ya know how it goes. First of many trials and tribulations for the AutoX-shittah...

Cheers,

Steve0

[AutoXCelica]

hey matey, muzza has a rt132 corona for sale, as far as im aware they're mechanically identical to the ra60 ie 21r-c, w50 box etc and its cheap :-) yes ur looking for a 'w' series g/box, tailshaft might hav to be changed, not sure.

Thanks mate. If u have contact details for muzza pm with them. But this ra65 is REALLY cheap... and it seems no hassle to bolt straight in... but if this corona is cheaper... i will think about it... cheers anyway...

Steve0

[Corona_82]

Yeah matey well u can pm muzza if u like, but yeah the ra65 sounds good if its cheap, u get the bonus as well of swapping the irs rear end if u can be bothered as well :-) Hope all goes well champ

[brett_celicacoupe]

Yeah matey well u can pm muzza if u like, but yeah the ra65 sounds good if its cheap, u get the bonus as well of swapping the irs rear end if u can be bothered as well :-) Hope all goes well champ

the RA65 IRS isnt a straight swap unless you want to cut your floor out with a grinder and weld in the new section. RA65 IRS is also drum

[Ashe]

My RA65 has Disks all the way around. Then again I am a Yank

[AutoXCelica]

Yeah not worried about the IRS conversion for the moment. But maybe in the future. Sounds like a big job though !

[ViPeR_NiPPleX]

how bad is the ra65 shell ? id go the whole thing if u were considering IRS....

[wilbo666]

I have a recollection that the hard clutch line (that goes along the firewall) is different between RA60 and RA65, SA63, MA61 (I am definite that SA63 and MA61 have the slave mounted on the passenger side). If I recall correctly the RA60 line goes to the drivers side and the others go to the passenger side. And if I am correct that must mean that the bellhousing must also be different...the clutch slave will also be different. If they are different I am not sure if they are interchangeable (space restrictions?).

Cheers
Wilbo

[brett_celicacoupe]

RA60 and RA65 have the slave cylinder both on the drivers side. they both run a R engine so the bellhousings are identical.

there is also other weird stuff on the RA65 that i have no idea what its for
if you look at the RA65 clutch pedal box, there is like 3 pivot points?!?! the RA60 has one.

then there is some alloy thing in line with the clutch fuild line that appears to do nothing its bolted to the firewall, beside the clutch master.

[wilbo666]

RA60 and RA65 have the slave cylinder both on the drivers side. they both run a R engine so the bellhousings are identical.

there is also other weird stuff on the RA65 that i have no idea what its for
if you look at the RA65 clutch pedal box, there is like 3 pivot points?!?! the RA60 has one.

then there is some alloy thing in line with the clutch fuild line that appears to do nothing its bolted to the firewall, beside the clutch master.

Yah there are two differant types of pedals, tho I have seen MA61's with either types...they are both just a pedal tho

Happy to admit that I was wrong on the RA65 / RA60 being diff line setups...

Cheers
Wilbo

[ViPeR_NiPPleX]

i think the steering columns vary slightly? i know the covers that go around where the ign barrel are definately different.

[AutoXCelica]

Dammit. And i thought this was going to be a simple changeover...
going to look at the car tonight so is there a consensus about the difficulty of the change? easy or complicated? My feeling from the posts so far is "easy with trouble lurking"...

[ViPeR_NiPPleX]

if it is just for the gbox, then not a worry! u will need:

front half of tailshaft
flywheel
clutch
brake/clutch pedals
clutch line
clutch master/slave cylinder
spigot bearing
gear stick

i think thats it! although i think ur speedo might be wrong... ur diff ratio will probably be an auto one

21R-C? if the 22RE thats in the ra65 is ok, just pull the long block, run the 21R manifolds and upgrade the carby!

[AutoXCelica]

Spew. SA63 with an 2S-C. W55 box. IRS rear. Still might grab her. Just concerned about bellhousing. Clutch seems same. Any SA63 guru's here? Now the topic title is wrong

[ViPeR_NiPPleX]

ah dont bother... u'd be buying a car for just the gbox/pedals.... you would still need a bellhousing and appropriate clutch bits.

[o_man_ra23]

I just did an auto to manual conversion plus 21RC to 22RE conversion at the same time on a RA60. What i used:
from an RT142:
clutch and brake pedals, clutch pedal box, clutch MC, motor, fuel tank, fuel pressure line, fuel filter, clutch fixed and flexible lines, xmember.
from RA40
clutch, clutch slave cyl, tail shaft, W50 (could have used a W55 from the RT142, and retained the RA60 auto tailshaft, but that was for different reasoning, and the W50 suits the need), gbox mount, engine mounts
kept from the RA60
speedo cable, speedo drive gear, extractors

As you can see, there is a fair bit of interchangeability. The only reason the RA40 tailshaft was used was because the RA60 item was too short, as the W55 and A40D is longer than the W50 and A30. rear half of the tailshaft is identical, as is centre bearing, unis and the yoke... only different part between all rwd celicas is the front shaft section. Inspected the RA65 box, and its identical to the RT142 box.

Cheers, Owen