TA22-GT4 hybrid help thoughts please

[wagonist]

And doing things arse about... May as well make a FWD TA22

3S RWD is much more achievable, but wouldn't be that unique.

[Grega]

andrew.
spend some time reading thru here; http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/showthread.php?t=18227
this will give you an indication of what you are up against.
you need a project plan, a realistic budget and a realistic timeframe.
you also need to be cognitive of how much you can do your self and how much you cannot. and when you cannot - how you can get it to somewhere to someone who can.
i don't want to rain on your parade mate but paint an accurate picture for you ; to ensure you don't get most of the way through and then give it away. nothing ventured nothing gained though dude

[andrewmurray86]

Cheers Grega,

I was starting to think I might have been a first with a 4WD TA22 at this stage I am planning, just seeing Jaffa's TA22 and the amount of modifications done to that makes me even more hopeful, knowing the body can be cut and modified to fit it all in is good. Not sure if he got it road legal in the end tho? I didn't want to spend to much time looking because I'm supposed to be studying at the moment. But that's awesome. As I mentioned above, I'm thinking the best part of a decade and around $50k budget. I really wanna make a GTFour that looks like a TA22 and above all, it needs the little anologue Jeco clock preferably in it's original position give it that nice 70's touch.

[andrewmurray86]

I also want it road legal too. So I am not too keen to just put a TA22 onto a GT-Four chassis. I would like the challenge

[MWP]

I dont think youll fit it in, in EW config it'll be too wide for the engine bay.
To get it to fit youll have to do *big* modifications to the chassis rails, etc... might be easier to just cut the front of the TA22 and make a tube frame for it.

If you have to modify/move the chassis rails in any way, you'll be looking at $10k+ in engineering fees to get it road reged, and thats if they will do it at all.

[tomvale13]

Too much effort and money for the end result.

There are a lot of build threads on here forTA22's, look through all of them decide whether or you value building over driving.

You could have a very fun 2t/3t turbo rwd car and spend the time and money working on brakes and handling, whilst actually getting to drive it in a much shorter time-frame.


How tied are you to the idea of AWD? This type of thing could easily snowball into a scenario where you spend a lot of time and money without getting to experience your intended end product.

[aus jd 2703]

perks of an old celica is light and RWD. making it awd will make it heavy and not RWD so imo ruining the car.
1j, 2j or 3sgte swap into a ta22 gets my vote. or get a gt4

[andrewmurray86]

I dont think youll fit it in, in EW config it'll be too wide for the engine bay.

Would you think maybe a W5x box with N/S setup or a new set of gears into the T50 box? That's not a bad idea if keeping it RWD or a hilux box into it with N/S setup??

[andrewmurray86]

How tied are you to the idea of AWD? This type of thing could easily snowball into a scenario where you spend a lot of time and money without getting to experience your intended end product.

The time frame isn't so much of a drama for me. But not driving the end result is. I really like the 4WD grip and stability. I'd like to do it but at the end of the day... A good set of tyres will do that too. And as aus jd 2703 has pointed out. The GT4 is already there...

[thechuckster]

fwiw, I vaguely remember seeing a build thread about some crazy brit who attached a morris body to an MX5 chassis. The principle behind it was to adapt the body shape to the underlaying chassis rather than mash the chassis to fit the body. Some of the major body hassles were the door hinges/surrounds (having enough strength around that point), the guards needing pumping out and blending the windscreen base and bonnet to the existing firewall.

Would be interesting if you went this route tho I could see it being a world of pain for many years.

Suggestion? buy a very rooted/rusted TA22 shell and a ST184 from the wreckers - then decapitate both and have a look where things sort of line up, where the body-to-chassis requires major stitching and whether the show-stoppers (bad firewall-to-windscreen alignment, door openings very wrong) exist. If not deterred at this point - go to town on the GT4 and non-munted TA22 cabin.

[Zammo]

all good ideas but i think its getting uglier

no rego do cut n shut

rego do custom chassis

OR

whack WRX shit in to the TA22 will piss some ppl off but you can say HELLO FT86 toyobaru!!!!!

[RiceburnaGTV]

There is a reason it hasnt been done man, its just not worth it. Apart from Jaffas which as you can see is frekin genius..Just stick with RWD and put 50k into that set up for one of the best bloody Celicas ever! I am not sure what one of these cost but if I had an unlimited budget then I would love to drop one of these things in a 22.
http://www.h1v8.com/page/page/1562068.htm

Saying that, with your budget/work done yourself:
1)Shoehorn an ISF V8 into a 23/28?
2)Go all out and put IRS in the rear
3)?????
4)Profit!!

More fun.
Just as unique?

[oldcorollas]

they wer elike $30-35K? maybe remembering incorrectly.

definitel call an engineer this weekend. no point fantasising abotu it if it is no chance of ever being legal.
read through the NCOP, read through any information you can get about ICV's.. but in the end, ICV is up to the engineer... so you need to call an engineer
do that first.

also, the laws may be very different in 10 years.
perhaps just bite the bullet, don't consider rego, and just build it as a hillclimb/track car? far easier and less hassle, and you'll probably finish 5 years earlier

[Grega]

LOL http://mog.myfreeforum.org/ftopic4692-0.php
morris miata mx-5. sorry for the OT. thanks thechuckster

[andrewmurray86]

I think the call to the engineer is in order, I'm liking the custom chassis, could reinforce it while going . I'll post up the details of the call to the engineer hopefully tomorrow night.

the WRX/TA22 cross sounds hot, but I'm not sure I could do it, morally speaking But really Toyota and Subaru already officially did it themselves so would it be that bad? I could just buy the 86 and turbo the crap out of it. VVTi boxer engine mmmm