Anyone know what is going on with the RTA and engineering in NSW???

[marc280]

As the title suggests does anyone know what is going on with the RTA and engineering in NSW? I'm in the process of trying to get my car engineered now that I'm almost done with my engine conversion and I've spoken to a couple of engineers and they are saying that the RTA is in the process of changing the scheme and at the moment they can't certify anything and are possibly having their licences taken away and will have to re-apply to get them.

If anyone has had any success in going through engineering recently it would be good to know.

[old_mr2]

Their website still has this .pdf

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registrati...s_nov_2007.pdf

Might be best to give them a call for direct info. Some contact numbers are on the bottom of the .pdf.

[Youngy]

The unfortunate reality is probably that the RTA does not know what is going on either.

Maybe I am to skeptical

[masterofsinanju]

nationally there is a move to a single set of standards (not compulsory and the states each need to modify their legislation and policy to achieve this). See http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/tec...op-thread.html

I spoke with my engineer about a week ago and he didn't mention anything, but then I'm not doing anything too outlandish.

Call them and find out. If it is a free for all stage, let me know so I can get on with my 1UZ into TA23 conversion. Otherwise I'll stick with the 1GGTE.

[Impurist]

If anyone has any recent experience getting brake mods engineered I'd be very interested to hear whether the process was straight forward. I've read a bit of conflicting information about what's required.

[marc280]

I had a chat with the guys on the RTA technical line and from what they were saying the only changes are that it is going from a paper based system to an electronic one and that the name is changing. The standards are all gong to be the same for now, so apparently NCOP is still a while away. From what the guy at the tech line said, all any signatories needs to do is just need to sign up to the new scheme which changes over on the 19th of December. So it sounds like I might just need to talk to a different engineer who knows what is going on....

As for getting brake mods engineered I need to do this as a part of the conversion, but I've also got very different responses on what is required. One guy said I would need to hire out a private test track for him to be able to certify the mods, another said I must take it to a brake specialist and have them certify that the components are ok to work together and do a brake test. Then two other engineers said that they could certify it all themselves and just do a test on the street...

If anyone has used an engineer recently that they were happy with (in Sydney) I love to know who it was if you could post it or PM me.

[Impurist]

Hmm. I guess when the time comes, I'll just shop around and find someone who's comfortable assessing every component within a sensible set of constraints. Honestly the whole private drag strip thing is what I've been worried about, but I'm thinking an experienced engineer should be able to assess a (fairly bolt on) brake upgrade by looking at the specifications of any donor vehicles of the components, the quality of any fabricated brackets and applying some basic common sense. Might be hoping for too much though I guess. I'm pretty sure it all comes down to liability in the end.

[masterofsinanju]

Pheobe, that's been my experience.

Not that the work is complete yet but all I'm doing is letting the engineer say in general terms what needs to be done.

For example, he told me I needed to upgrade to a vented disc (this is my TA23/1GGTE). Of course, no such beast exists, so I emailed him and asked what he thought of rx-7 caliper/MPV vented rotor with a custom bracket on the TA23 factory struts. He said, that will be fine.

Now if he rocks up when the work is done and starts asking for additional stuff...

Just in conversation with him, he's taken the view that as long as the parts are already approved for use (even in other vehicles) and thay work effectively in say a brake test that you would have for rego he will be happy with it. So in the case of my caliper bracket I might have to do some convincing but being bolt on should make that easier.

[Impurist]

Yeah I'd think caliper brackets would be the only really questionable thing. Or putting components from two very different sizes of car on front vs back and thus ending up with a possible brake bias issue.

[88cameron88]

hi i had my engine conversion engineered 2 weeks ago in sydney by Peter Gillard. he is on the rta list of signatories so look him up.
he is fantastic, i cant recommend him enough, i even called him last week to thank him for the way he conducted his business!!! he is extremely well priced as well.
last i heard he was the only engineer that was currently signed up to work in the new system as well...

[masterofsinanju]

Yeah I'd think caliper brackets would be the only really questionable thing. Or putting components from two very different sizes of car on front vs back and thus ending up with a possible brake bias issue.

Hoping to avoid that just for now to keep the initial costs down. Otherwise rear end upgrade will need to be brought forward. Dear God I'm not looking forward to that conversation with wifey She knows it's going to happen but some distance in the future.

[The Witzl]

hi i had my engine conversion engineered 2 weeks ago in sydney by Peter Gillard. he is on the rta list of signatories so look him up.
he is fantastic, i cant recommend him enough, i even called him last week to thank him for the way he conducted his business!!! he is extremely well priced as well.
last i heard he was the only engineer that was currently signed up to work in the new system as well...

Cheers dude, ill be giving him a call this week!

[The Witzl]

ok.... so all the links on the RTA website are dead.
In fact, there is currently NO INFORMATION available online for a list of engineering signatories.

The RTA has now changed to RMS, and the engineering certificate scheme (ECS) has officially changed to VSCCS.
Vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Scheme


So yeah.... i cant find information for any VSCCS certified engineers!!!
The only one i've found online is Terry Toomey - Terry Toomey :: Automotive Engineers and Compliance Certificates :: NSW Roads & Maritime Services Signatory

It could be that im frustrated and not looking hard enough (fkn busy at work!), but how hard does this have to be?


So...... who do people recommend? I need more than a name.... I wouldnt mind information for this Peter Gillard bloke...

[Supra967]

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registrati...10_02_2012.pdf

I was in contact with Troy Brodie down my way. Seemed pretty good, plenty of answers to my questions.

[The Witzl]

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registrati...10_02_2012.pdf

I was in contact with Troy Brodie down my way. Seemed pretty good, plenty of answers to my questions.

how the heck did you find that?
Did i fail at internets??


Thanks heaps! Will be making some phone calls tomorrow.