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    Default Re: changes to the club permit system in vic

    Quote Originally Posted by river View Post
    Hi,

    Yes, only period mods... otherwise it wouldn't be a historic vehicle would it? Also allowed safety additions. So you could put on (for example) rear disc brakes and still have the vehicle under historic rego.

    Can attend club events or events with other clubs so long as our club gets a written (or emailed) invitation. Non club use for service runs is permitted.

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    Pretty much the same here under the old scheme, except for the mods part. Car must be more than 25 years old, that's all. No restrictions on mods as far as I can work out.

    Under the current system we can arrange a "Special Use Voucher" to use the car for a non-Club event. These have to be arranged in advance which is a hassle. Especially if notice is short.

    With the logbook system due in Feb, no more special use voucher is required.
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    Default Re: changes to the club permit system in vic

    Quote Originally Posted by river View Post
    Hi,

    Yes, only period mods... otherwise it wouldn't be a historic vehicle would it? Also allowed safety additions. So you could put on (for example) rear disc brakes and still have the vehicle under historic rego.

    Can attend club events or events with other clubs so long as our club gets a written (or emailed) invitation. Non club use for service runs is permitted.

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    yup, but as bnicho said, they can modify their cars under the system.

    the result is that effectively race cars can be put on club rego, or limited use rego, as opposed to almost dead stock cars in NSW
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcorollas View Post
    the result is that effectively race cars can be put on club rego, or limited use rego, as opposed to almost dead stock cars in NSW
    that seems to be the main use of the system down here


    so, under the new scheme can you do all club events AND 90 days of non-club event driving on top of that? if so thats a bit less ghey than when it was first explained to me. but no service/tuning runs unless you fill in the book?
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    yeah
    but read between the lines
    the entry is not valid unless the date is filled in
    now if anyone wants to flaunt the system all they have to do is fill in the log book except for the date
    IF they get stopped for a check , all they have to do is fill in the date ,
    nostalgia is not what it used to be:

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    Hi,

    Well I hope ppl fill in the date. The last thing you need is a few dunderclumps flaunting the system and it gets pulled, which affects the vast majority of users who appreciated and used the system as it was intended.

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    as opposed to now where everyone just drives around and claims its a tuning run.

    either way, some people are going to flaunt the system regardless
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    in an ideal world , if we all obeyed the laws there would be no accidents
    for the amount of times that i drive on club plates , it would be of no advantage for me not to do the right thing
    90 days , by my maths thats about 4 days per week
    i drive the silver slug now maybe an hour per 14 days
    i cant see any reason not to comply
    nostalgia is not what it used to be:

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    Hi,

    Agree.

    Sounds like a cool scheme. With Trini I don't really drive The 88 that much... probably 3 days .. maybe 4... per annum. Crikey, that sounds sad... I think I'll have to take her out more often.

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    just yell out if you need a hand
    nostalgia is not what it used to be:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    90 days , by my maths thats about 4 days per week
    LOL

    90 days is more like 1.73 days per week.

    52 weeks in a year.

    1.73 x 52 = 89.96 .

    Sounds like the new rules are basically saying you can drive your club car most weekends, all weekend, so long as you fill out a logbook.

    Pretty sweet, if you ask me.
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    yes slim
    you spotted the deliberate mistake ,
    the maths that i used was based on the government estimates formula
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    Just going back to Andrew's post... it is 90 days full stop. Not 90 days plus club events.

    Why any one would think that isn't enough if they are really running a club/historic car is beyond me, like Slim says, its basically just about every weekend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bnicho View Post
    Yes, its cheaper, but your historic rego is a lot more restrictive isn't it? No mods except period mods and you can't use it for non-club events?

    I predict a lot of people are going to join clubs when the new scheme is in here. This can only help the clubs. More members means more funds for the club coffers and also more of a lobbying presence.

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    Hi Brett
    Lots of wishfull thinking here about the club permit scheme.

    Log books are in.
    First set free of charge, posted out in January.
    We dont have safety officers any more around many clubs as there are too many restrictions too much liability as people do the wrong thing all the time on club plates.


    We here will make it compulsory to attend at least three club meetings so there will be no RUBBER STAMP of cut and run with red plates.
    We keep a red plate register and as always it is the car club who signs the renewal permits not the owner.
    So it is the car club who determines who gets a set and who does not.
    No sign no permit.
    And you have to attend our club in the flesh to get the sec to sign.
    QED.



    Cops will have data base in the computers so when doing roadside stop they will know all about the car and so on.

    Its a good thing or a bad thing depending on your point of view.

    The VIC ROADS website carries all the full report and rationale and best read.

    The push for log books as I understand it it came out of many meetings with vicroads, it is fully documented you can find it in Google.

    I have five on red plates and its cost is now $114 PA and indexed to the CPI.

    They have gone up over five years from $99

    But 5 on redplates equals 1 on normal approx.


    As for driving the five cars for 90 days each over 450 days.

    There is still the question of TPPI at $200 per car or TPF&Theft = $1000 for insurance
    or you could pay by the month I guess.

    Some of my cars are worth a lot of money so there is no way I would daily drive them.
    I don't see the red plate scheme as giving us carte blanche to do as we please.
    The very nature of the cars makes them self restricting.
    And keeps them in good condition.
    That is if you want to keep them pristine and undamaged.
    Do people really think they will drive their classic cars for 90 days each per year?



    Or like the White FAIRLADY Zed in the Pic stolen from the Nissan dealer at Armidale, taken to Bowraville for a joyride and dumped 50 feet down in the Bellingen River.

    Old classics have no security and are easily stolen.

    Daily driving also means daily parking.

    We shall see how quickly the novelty of cheap rego wears off when your car
    gets the first shopping trolley ding or stone chip, bird droppings out of shady trees, or locust splats.

    There is no way I would daily drive these classics



    red plates or no.








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    RT104 I wish you would stop saying no club has safety officers or very few... the Toyota Car Club here in Melbourne continues to have our own people inspecting club plated cars.

    I think that should suit the vast majority of Victorian Toyota owners if they want to pursue it.

    We don't have a requirement that you attend three meetings per year, that is clearly just something your club has decided.

    We do like to meet people in the flesh though, as its our check to make sure the person is of good character and isn't going to do the wrong thing representing the club on club plates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew_mx83 View Post
    that seems to be the main use of the system down here
    If you go to Winton or Phillip Island on a race day, you will get the impression there are lots of race cars on Club Permit. But go to Hanging Rock (Feb) or similar car shows and you will see just as many or more stock (or close to) cars on Club Permit plates.

    As for how you use it within that 90 days, that's up to you. I have secure undercover parking at work, so I see no reason not to drive one of my Club Permit cars one or two days every week, just to keep them all running. But I wouldn't leave one of them at the railway station or similar.

    Yes, renewals will still have to be signed by the club, so there is still scope to refuse to renew if people act like a dickhead.

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