MX83 for a tow car?

[PRIMRK]

Hey All,

Trying to find a tow car, have been looking at the Cressida Grande and want to be sure that it will do the job. According to the following link they can tow 1700kg can any one confirm this? I called toyota but they didn't know or CBF finding out for me. (prob more the second)

http://www.carbuddy.com.au/car/value...7&tid=48501196

Any one tow with one of these? How do they go? Do you find them under powered or getting pushed by the trailer?

I will be towing my Sprinter to the track, i will also be taking spare tyres/tools ect, i do have a good car trailer that is light weight (bout 200kg) so i will be towing just over 1000kg all up with tools in the boot.

So think the MX83 would be up to it cos im sick of the VN commi, plus i like the idea of a 1UZ in one of these at a later date.

Cheers

[hks7mgt]

That 7M will pull you places no other car has seen before - lol. Seriously, 7M's are a long stroke torquey engine and N/A that have a lot of kick. A sprinter is about a tone anyway so you're not talking that much. If you want to be exactly sure, work out the max load you'll have on the tow bar 1.5 - 2tone including the trailer and ring a tow bar place. You might need a higher rated towbar installed.

[Hen]

I've seen an MX83 towing a trailer with an MX83 on it (ok, JZX83 to be precise). No idea if it is legal, or smart, but seemed to work fine.

I'd also say towbar places would be able to tell you more about rated loads than Toyota ever would.

Hen

[Cuzzo]

Hey All,

Trying to find a tow car, have been looking at the Cressida Grande and want to be sure that it will do the job. According to the following link they can tow 1700kg can any one confirm this? I called toyota but they didn't know or CBF finding out for me. (prob more the second)

http://www.carbuddy.com.au/car/value...7&tid=48501196

Any one tow with one of these? How do they go? Do you find them under powered or getting pushed by the trailer?

I will be towing my Sprinter to the track, i will also be taking spare tyres/tools ect, i do have a good car trailer that is light weight (bout 200kg) so i will be towing just over 1000kg all up with tools in the boot.

So think the MX83 would be up to it cos im sick of the VN commi, plus i like the idea of a 1UZ in one of these at a later date.

Cheers

1uzed go alright but they are no weapon stock.

[PRIMRK]

Yeh but they sound awesome and I know I'll have a play with it befor it goes in.

I'll give a few towbar joints a call and see what they can do for me, i was most wanting to know if the engine was up to it, I'll check one out today and see how it feels.

How close are the mx83 to the jzx83? If I was to get the front panels lights ect will they fit?

[PRIMRK]

just called toyota australia, tow cap is 1700kg but...i can only find towbars rated to 900kg.

Also what was the issue with the head on the 7m's? did they get the wrong torque settings from factory or something?

[Bananaman]

interesting that toyota say 1700, everything else i've seen says 1500. That and the only heavy duty bar that (was) available as far as i know is from hayman reese, and its rated to 1500kg. They don't make them new anymore, i got mixed responses about whether they'd make one to order, but if they did it there was a decent wait involved.

I was lucky enough to find one second hand and snapped it up. I've not towed a car behind mine yet, probably the most ive had was a ton of tiles + a box trailer, done plenty of loads to the tip, moving house, and shit like that and its been fine, and with the 1j very lazy / easy to drive loaded up.

Dunno if i'd be game to tow with the 7M myself, if they are chronic for BHG's normally then i can't imagine they'd be great loaded up... I'd probably want stiffer suspension as well than stock

jzx83 is just an mx83 with a 1j/2j conversion

[Shakotan_Aaron]

main issue will be the weight of the car verses the weight of the towing load. there are legal requirements but i dont know what they are.

as soon as you put any weight on the tow bar/back end your going to have -90 degreese camber, so perhaps something stiffer on the back end would be good, i always thought about some sort of a airbag with springs but i dont think most passenger car airbags will like weight on them. the idea is then you just pump them up with the compressor when you leave home so it sits level.

the aus delivered mx83 came with pissy small brakes (jap/usdm brakes are a direct replacement). if your towing then keeping the auto is a good idea in some ways as you dont have a clutch to burnout and it will be generally smoother driving as you dont have the trailer to shunt you every time you change gear. a oil cooler is a big must as the extra load will get the trans oil on the boil leading to a rather short life. in all fairness its not really the 7Ms fault that they blow head gaskets, otherwise they are a strong reliable motor. with regular mainanace they sometimes see 350-400k without a rebuild! i stole injector plugs from my motor shortly before pulling it out. with only 2 injectors firing and a spun bearing as it had no oil it ran and i drove it (very slowly) about 40meters. still good effort, the thing didnt want to die and be ripped out.

[hks7mgt]

7m's do have a bad rep for blown gaskets but buy now they woudl ahve all been replaced. Yes it was the torque settings were incorrect from factory, but i had a suspicsion it was tied to the turbo models only. I could be wrong.

a friend of mine installed an airbag kit into his navara and he swears by it. i don't know if they make a kit for normal cars, but i can ask (at least grab the name of the company) if you want.

[Shakotan_Aaron]

7m's do have a bad rep for blown gaskets but buy now they woudl ahve all been replaced. Yes it was the torque settings were incorrect from factory, but i had a suspicsion it was tied to the turbo models only. I could be wrong.

a friend of mine installed an airbag kit into his navara and he swears by it. i don't know if they make a kit for normal cars, but i can ask (at least grab the name of the company) if you want.

no i think it was as bad or worse on n/a 7Ms.

if its fixed once and done properly there should be no future issues. head deck, quality gasket maybe ARP bolts and you should never have a issue again.

[hks7mgt]

no i think it was as bad or worse on n/a 7Ms.

Okay, gotch-ya ae71

[wa5]

I have heard the "not correctly torqued" explanation about 7M gasket failures a few times, it doesnt really hold water ...

The MX83 was on the market for what? 4 years? and in all that time, Toyota couldnt figure out that they had screwed up the setting on the torque wrench.... yeah right.

I have also spoken to people who have repaired thier Ms with quality aftermarket gaskets and bolts (and had thier heads checked for hardness), and they have still failed.

Hold on to the VN mate, it will be better for towing.

[bungs]

I've towed an mx83 on a trailer with my mx83 with 1j when it was auto. No probs with stability I suppose but even with the 1j it wasn't the best to tow with. To get some decent torque it needed the turbos to be loaded up constantly, which I don't particularly like..

Not sure how it would go with a 7m, but to be honest I think a cheap 4L EF falcon would do a better job and would probably be rated to actually tow a trailer with a car on it.

[tacoma_kyle]

Most cars can probably pull most loads around their weight, but that doesn't mean it is a good idea.

Behind a car, I wouldn't go where there are any hills. I would also try a car dolly over a actual trailer.

But are you sure the trailer isn't more than 200kg? Most -light- car trailers weight around 450kg minimum. Mine is about 550kg and I dont like towing my Celica on it, last time I rented a car dolly. I just think either 200kg is overly generous, or just plain dangerous. Just not sure which.

But would I do it behind a car dolly? If I had no friends with trucks, yeah for probably less than 30 miles. More, I would find another solution.

[Shakotan_Aaron]

i think my car will be capable of towing alot more then its own weight power and brakes wise. however it will be the actual tow car weight that will be the limiting factor. heavier the load the more influence it has on the tow car right?