1NZ-FE into Moke (Yaris Echo 1.5 VVTi) - engine and gearbox dimensions.

[bnicho]

Hi,

Does anyone have the dimensions for one of these engine and boxes, or have one on the floor they could measure for me?

Also, does anyone know what gearbox is used on these engines (C series) and what cars it interchanges with (eg: starlet)?

Yeah, I could go to a Toyota dealer and crack out a tape measure, but it's not easy when the engine is still in the car and you have a salesman getting suspicious, wondering why this fruit-loop is measuring engines!!

I'm considering using one for a conversion on my Moke. Why? Because it is very light, seems very compact and has around double the power and torque of the BMC A series 1275cc engine it would replace.

I want to avoid cutting the Moke shell as much as possible, and I don't need heaps of power in such a lightweight car. For example a 4EFTE in a Moke would require an extended nose and would never get any traction.

Cheers,

[rob323]

Hi,

Does anyone have the dimensions for one of these engine and boxes, or have one on the floor they could measure for me?

Let me know if you are still after dimensions and I'll measure them for you.

Also, does anyone know what gearbox is used on these engines (C series) and what cars it interchanges with (eg: starlet)?

From the factory, they use a C150 but with some creativity you can fit any C series box to them, you may just need a C150 bellhousing to do it though. I have a C56 bolted to the standard C150 bellhousing in my Echo.

[wagonist]

Tried a wrecker? Especially if you're considering buying a motor/box, they'll be pretty considerate then.

I know of a few 4Es & 5Es which've been installed into Minis without extending the nose or cutting the bodywork, but with extensive changes to the sub frame which the engine/box sit on.

[bnicho]

Hi,

Rob323, if you have a change to measure an engine and box, that would be great. No hurry, just whenever you get to it.

I haven't tried a proper wrecker yet and I'm yet to find a self-serve wrecker with an 1NZ-FE either.

I'm looking at buying a complete crashed donor car from the auctions, that way I can recycle as many bits as possible into the Moke.

A 4EFE or 4EFTE will just fit a round-nose Mini with some inner guard cuts. But a Moke has slightly less space, especially at the front. There is a 4EFE in a Moke in Perth and he had to stretch it two inches.

There is plenty of 4EFTE conversions on Ausmini.com, but nobody has tried a 1NZ- FE to my knowledge. I'm hoping it's more compact, especially in the gearbox. I'm happy to make up a custom subframe, but I'd prefer to cut the body as little as possible.

A Charade turbo 3 pot CB70/CB80 will fit certainly without cutting the body, but they are hard to find and even harder to get parts for.

Cheers,
Brett.

[rob323]

Hi,

Rob323, if you have a change to measure an engine and box, that would be great. No hurry, just whenever you get to it.

I'll drag one of my motors out and throw a tape over it for you.

I'm looking at buying a complete crashed donor car from the auctions, that way I can recycle as many bits as possible into the Moke.

If you stick with the factory ecu, you will need the key and the transponder as well to get around the immobiliser.

There is plenty of 4EFTE conversions on Ausmini.com, but nobody has tried a 1NZ- FE to my knowledge. I'm hoping it's more compact, especially in the gearbox. I'm happy to make up a custom subframe, but I'd prefer to cut the body as little as possible.

The C150 box is the shortest, a C56 on a C150 bell housing is about 10mm longer and a stock C52 is another 20mm or so longer again. I have accurate lengths of the various gearbox bits at home, I'll dig them up as well.

[wagonist]

Shouldn't need to do a custom subframe, but it may need to be modified a bit.

Why did the nose need to be lengthened? For the radiator?
If so, stick it in the back, it's not like its going to have any bodywork hindering the airflow to it

[rob323]

Found the gearbox stuff.

C150 from an Echo
Bell housing - 128mm
Centre casing - 164mm
End casing - 81mm
Total length = 373mm

C56 from an AE101 Levin
Bell housing - 145mm
Centre casing - 179mm
End casing - 71mm
Total length = 395mm

I stuck the echo bell housing on the C56 centre and end casings and got a total length of 378mm which fits into an Echo with about 5mm to spare. And by using the C56, you get a 4.3:1 final drive instead of the 3.6:1 echo final drive and you can use the more common 8 bolt TRD lsd that is used on Levins, corollas, starlets etc.

Motor dimensions yet to come.

[andrew_mx83]

too big for you but you may find this thread of interest.... there has been some good progress recently ill get jon to take some photos next time we are working on it

http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/showthread.php?t=61354

btw the 4age really is the biggest motor you would want to squeeze into a mini.... we are SERIOUSLY short on space lol

[bnicho]

Thanks Rob323, that C150 is seriously compact and the gearing with a 3.6 is about right on the stock Moke tyre sizes. They are a smaller diameter than the Echo/Yaris. Wheel-arch sizes and suspension/steering clearance prevents much large diameter tyres fitting. I fear a 4.3 or similar would make first gear useless!

Andrew, I know Jon aka Justfangingaround. I sold him a Mini recently that I think donated some bits to his car, like vented disk brakes and adjustable suspension. I didn't know he was doing a 4AGE conversion, nor was on Toymods!

Cheers,
Brett

[andrew_mx83]

ah so thats where the good bits came from

maybe i have let the cat out of the bag now :S


dont mokes come with 4.3's standard? my californian had them, albeit on 13" wheels. used to go like a rocket to 60km/h then it would run out of breath lol

[bnicho]

Yes, you are right. From the factory 13" wheel Mokes have a 4.1 or 4.267 diff. But with the extra torque of the 1NZ-FE I reckon a 4.3 ratio would be too low.

Anyway, diff changes can wait until later.

Cheers,
Brett

[Xauterus]

Hello
How far did you get with this conversion? I have a Yaris motor I want to put into a moke. I was actually looking for a gearbox , so the info on using the C56 is very useful.
The great thing with Yaris motor is that the exhaust is on the correct side of engine and I bought mine with 36000 km for $250.

Corey

[bnicho]

Hi Corey,

No, I haven't got any further with the conversion. Too many distractions.

With that $250 motor did you get the ECU and loom? I found the motor was cheap, it's the bits that go with it to make it run that are expensive. Hence the idea of buying a whole smashed car.

Cheers,
Brett.

[andrew_mx83]

brett the 4ag into mini project has come to a halt, most of the bits are gone now but i still have the jig we made to hold up the subframe and firewall for mocking things up.

i feel a nice bottle of scotch would take up less room in the shed if you catch my drift

[tomvale13]

If you do this you should make a thread for it, I'd like to see how it goes.