Identify 3k engine by engine number?

[MarkIIRx12]

Hi

i really need to find out when my 3k engine was made since im working on the head and at toyota they said there is a few small diffrences in the headgasket sets from the diffrent models, and that it could be either from a older corolla or a newer starlet. if i can find out when the engine was made i guess i can determine if its a starlet or a corolla engine?

How can i find this out by the engine number? i dont even know if its a 3kc or a 3kh or whatever.

Can anyone help me with this if i provide the numer? or is it anything visual i can tell them apart by?

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance for all ur help.

[briney]

from the little bit i've seen,i reckon the casting numbers on the block and head may be a better indication. you'll see them cast into the sides of both somewhere. did the toyota dude give you any pointers on id'ing the parts ?

[MarkIIRx12]

Thaks for the answer.

The toyota guy didnt know how to identify what year etc from the numbers. i found the numbers on the block, but since i dont know how to translate them into something meaningfull im still lost.

I dont remember the numbers now, but i will write them down if someone knows how to find out what the numbers mean.

Thanks again

[SilverRA23]

Might be worth asking on www.rollaclub.com - pics will help too.

[MarkIIRx12]

Thanks for ur answer.

I actually just registred on rollaclub.

I can provide pics of the engine, but since its in a car its very hard to see the right side of the engine.

anyway i will take some pics of it and post

[oldcorollas]

if the engine number is near the front of the block, it is early engine
if it is at rear of block, it is normal engine.

if the head has 24010 on it, and a welch plug at the back, it is an early bigport.

the main differences are that early heads do NOT have valve stem seals, and instead have double groove valves with o-ring and oil shedding umbrella thing

the headgasket itself will be virtually the same across all models, btu there are revisions to the cooling passge hole sizes (later ones direct more water to rear of block to aid circulation)

rocker cover gaskets are same.

C is usual version. H is high compression version. need to check the combustion chamber volume
take a pic of the engine, from few different angles and tell me if the crby and intake manifold are original for that engine.

the other way to tell, is by the fan belt width and the type of water pump, as most revisions included a water pump change,..

or... you could ask on rollaclub

[white_sandshoe]

http://www.rollaclub.com/faq/index.p...K_Series/Heads

gives something to start from...

[WDE_BDY]

If it is potentially a Starlet engine then you want to be talking to www.club-k.co.nz. Oz never got the Starlet so the info you will get on an Aussie site will lack any of the stuff regarding the 2K, 3K or 4K engines fitted to the Starlet between 1979 and 1984.

Callum

[MarkIIRx12]

heres some pics of the engine, they turned out bad as it started to rain really heavy just when i was taking the pics, but since the engine number is on the back, i assume its a late model then? i cant see any numbers on the head, and the carby i dont know if its the original one, but the airfilterbox says 3k.

the engine number is 3K 27095.

If its a late model, from wich year can i safely order parts from? like starlet after 1980 with 3k would be fine? did any of the ke30's come with "late" engines?

Thanks again for all ur help

[WDE_BDY]

Not 100% but looks like a Starlet engine, has the thermostat housing with the fan switch and obviously no engine fan on it. What car was it in? Different markets will obviously have different specs so that may help determine it's age or if it is a non original engine.

Callum

[MarkIIRx12]

Thanks for ur answer

A part of the problem is that i dont know what car it come from, the previous owner said he thought it came outa a starlett, its in my ke70 now, and that had a 4k originally.

Its a euro spec engine im sure since im in europe, im not sure but i think the only other car than the starlet here that had 3k was ke30, and they went out of production here in 77 or 78 i think?

So if this engine is newer than for example 78, its a big chance its from a starlet, unless there is something im not thinking of.

Would be great if i knew what year they stopped production of the early engines and started the new engines, is all the late engines identical when it comes to head and gaskests and stuff?

Thanks again

[WDE_BDY]

I would ask over on www.club-k.co.nz, in NZ we got the RWD Starlets so likely to get a better answer there. Unfortunately I haven't really played with the K series engines enough to know about head gasket differences but it physically looks like a Starlet setup.

Callum

[oldcorollas]

another clue is the width of the fan belt. earlier cars had wider belts and later ones thinner, but i think Callum is right with the thermostat switch.
you can basically use the same headgasket from 1060's to 1980's, since the bore of K, K and 4K are allt he same.
5K is bigger and i think 2K is smaller?

afaik, all 3K sump gaskets, front and rar seals and most other important things are same.
main difference will be the water pump design.. mayyyybe the intake ports could be small ones, and it may have dished pistons (can see through spark plug hole), but most things will be same

[MarkIIRx12]

Can u tell from my pictures what waterpump is on this engine, if i remember correct the fan belt is 19mm wide, does that make sence?

Is this definitly a late 3k then? and approx when did they come into production?

Thanks again

[oldcorollas]

19mm is far too wide.. i forget the widths, will chekc tonight if i remember.
the width is also written on the belt if it is still visible.

if you have a water pump catalogue available, with photos, then you could compare, but i am not sure.