6m-ge manual into ma61

**regin** · 08-04-2006, 05:02 PM

the other day i bought a badly rusted ma61 with from the engineering papers which i was suprised it had.
The engineering papers say the engine is a 6mge using 6mge engine management. I plant on transfering the 6m and manual box into my other ma61 that is registered and in better condition.
Will i need engineering or not since the engineering for the other car was from qld and i am in nsw i dunno if i will need it or not and if i do i think it should manage to pass what ever emmisions are needed since it also has a full exhaust with a cat. also i plan on a brake uprgrade but will i need it legaly?

and some pics of the 2 cars and the extra engine i got with the rusty car.

**Draven** · 08-04-2006, 05:11 PM

6m-ge is a less than whatever% increase, and thus you don't need to go through all the hard bits of engineering.

I think Dongah briefly had this, you could ask him

**brett_celicacoupe** · 08-04-2006, 06:45 PM

in queensland, the blue mod plate is only applicable to the car it was affixed to. in short you will need to consult a engineer and have him approve the engine swap. the rule of thumb is that if the engine was fitted to that car in any form then "engineering" is not required. i think for memory some MA61's came with a 5MGE, so putting one of them in shouldnt be an issue. the block would say 5M-xxxxxx anyway so mr policeman isnt going to know the difference. however if the compliance plate says 5M but the engine block says 6M then they will surely screw you over.

with the simplicity of the swap (change sumps and mounts), you shouldnt have any troubles at all getting it all approved.

best to ask around for a decent engineer that wont rip you off. i cant expect it costing more than $200.

**orestes** · 08-04-2006, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by brett_celicacoupe

in queensland, the blue mod plate is only applicable to the car it was affixed to. in short you will need to consult a engineer and have him approve the engine swap. the rule of thumb is that if the engine was fitted to that car in any form then "engineering" is not required.

in any form? I always thought it had to be the exact engine. that is to say that a 6M would need engering in an xA61, but not a Z10/11 though I may have just munderstood that rule

**RyleyMA61** · 08-04-2006, 06:58 PM

could that black one be norbies old car?

**brett_celicacoupe** · 08-04-2006, 07:00 PM

i mean like

say you had a RA23/28/40 with a 18rc engine.
seeing as the GT versions of all those cars had a 18RG, you can put one of those in without engineering. you may need to notify your insurance company though

6MGE's only came in the MZ12 soarers so im not to sure on how youd go putting one in a Z11/10. 5MGE might be okay though....i think ive seen a Z10/11 running around town with a 2.8GT badge (5mge probly?).

best to consult an engineer first though to get the specific details on do's and dont's

**orestes** · 08-04-2006, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by brett_celicacoupe

i mean like

say you had a RA23/28/40 with a 18rc engine.
seeing as the GT versions of all those cars had a 18RG, you can put one of those in without engineering. you may need to notify your insurance company though

6MGE's only came in the MZ12 soarers so im not to sure on how youd go putting one in a Z11/10. 5MGE might be okay though....i think ive seen a Z10/11 running around town with a 2.8GT badge (5mge probly?).

best to consult an engineer first though to get the specific details on do's and dont's

sorry for going off topic... I'm not really intrested in putting in a 6M in any of my cars, more so I was wondering what the deal would be with a GZ10 going from a 1GGE to a 1GGTE, or GZE with regards to engenering, and more so whether you would have to.

**thechuckster** · 08-04-2006, 07:27 PM

Aus never got M61 with twincam heads - only the asthmatic 5ME.

However, given that the 6mge is a big leap forward in emissions and fuel economy, it would be a simple job to get it inspected (if you were in Qld). Being in NSW you probably have something more costly but less bureaucratic.

you could probably get away with an inspection for an engine number change if the engine bay 'looked stock'.

**regin** · 08-04-2006, 07:39 PM

i would have rathered to just get the black car on the road but the whole thing is full of rust the engine on the other hand runs pretty well only 50000 on it since the swap

**regin** · 08-04-2006, 07:45 PM

does anyone know if all 6ms have 3000 stamped on the intake manifold and only the 5ms have efi stamped on them since the one in the car has efi stamped on it but the engineering does mention it is useing some 5mge parts

**brett_celicacoupe** · 08-04-2006, 09:12 PM

5MGE = no [3000] sign
6MGE = [3000] sign

**Draven** · 08-04-2006, 09:14 PM

I can hazard a guess as to why the 5m-ge has no 3000 sign

**CrUZida** · 08-04-2006, 11:42 PM

5MGE = EFI and 5Mxxxxxxx block number
6MGE = 3000 and 6Mxxxxxxx block number

The 6MGE also has 6M stamped behind the crank pulley (on the timing marked plate)

5MGE distributors also have a 5MGE stamp on them, but they reused the 5MGE dizzy on my 6MGE, so thats no way to tell.
Engine number is the easiest way to tell.

What ever 6MGE is in this photo
http://server5.ihostphotos.com/show....e220fWC87bdfb6
has been set up to run on the 5ME ecu. (or gen1 5MGE ecu)

This one however (can't tell if its 3000 or EFI on manifold)
http://server5.ihostphotos.com/show....0fb8T82Bf58248
is either on the 6MGE ecu or gen2 5MGE ecu.

(in both cases above 'ecu' means ecu/loom/electronics)

6MGE should not need any form of engineering in any state, it should just need a change of engine number form.

**regin** · 09-04-2006, 11:30 AM

thanks for the info

**Norbie** · 10-04-2006, 09:27 AM

That looks suspiciously like my old black car! I put in a 6M-GE with a 5M-GE inlet manifold, hence no "3000" on the plenum. I also hooked it up to early 5M-GE management.