Wolf 3d Setup/Help/Woes

[mikie]

ok, got a wolf 3d v4.
now im stuck. got 4 igniters and coils. and i cant get the thing to run on 4 cylinders. i know the problem lies in either the seqencing or the injector/ignition timing. i have tried almost every combo of 1342 i could come up with. but i cant get any more than more than 2 cyl's to go.

atm my setting are



What would/should my ignition be. i'm thinking that everything is stuffed, HERP!!!!!!!

injectors/cylinders are wired 1to1, 2to2, ect.............

the firing order is 1342 so thats a start but working that into 4 firing and injector sequences fro that order didn't work either. HERP!!!!!!!
anyone have any info/help that they can offer me.

Much Grass
Mike

[mikie]

gah. nvm. ill work it out, and let you know then.

Much Grass
Mike

[RA35GT]

Hey man,

People will need more info mate.

1. What engine?
2. What are you using for cam/crank position sensing?
3. How are the injectors wired?
4. How is the ignition wired

Do you have a wolf 3d v4 manual?

I only ask because you have wired the injectors incorrectly. (I can email if you don't have one)

The Injector drivers in the computer signify the order in which they are fired and not cylinder numbers.

So for a firing order of 1342.

Injector driver 1 will be wired to cylinder 1
Injector driver 2 will be wired to cylinder 3
Injecter driver 3 will be wired to cylinder 4
Injector driver 4 will be wired to cylinder 2

[The Real Roadrunner]

I wouldn't be fussed about the injector sequence as it will run regardless of when they squirt.

You will however have to make sure the igniters are wired in the 1342 order otherwise it won't run properly.

not enough info in the first post and i hate Wolf ecu's so im probly not going to be much help.

[RA35GT]

Yeah, true dat.

I assumed the ignition has been wired up the same the injectors though.

Did some searching and found that wolf still have the manual online dood.

http://wolfems.com/files/Installatio...457%201004.pdf

[mikie]

its a plug in for a gen3 3sgte running Dli.
factory sensors.
its wired as per wolf instructions. with the base map loaded.
Been through the manual and the dealer tech articles but it wasn't much help.
What im unsure on is the starting point for the firing order. =S
so lost

Mike

[OnAll-FOUR]

have you subscribed to the wolf emails ? they have lots of good tourble shooting tips. this one might help.

In know the Subject Line for this email may seem a little weird, but follow along with me and you will learn a lesson that can help you out of one of the most fundamental sticky situations when you are first getting your freshly wired up engine started for the first time.

The Rule Of 255 can save you a huge amount of time and money when it comes to setting up your engine for the first time.

So, lets say that you have wired up your engine, you crank it, but it won't start. It will only pop and kick, but you can tell that something is definitely not right.

For this exercise we are going to assume that the triggering wiring and configuration is correct, and that the ECU is not showing any trigger errors.

You check your wiring for the ignition and fuel system, and you think it is all correct. You put a timing light on the engine, and number 1 appears to be in the right place (around 5-20 degrees before TDC).

What could be wrong?

Maybe the number one spark event is occurring 1 revolution out (that is, it is on the exhaust stroke rather than on the compression stroke).

But, what is the very quickest way to determine the correct ignition output sequencing?

Before I go through it:- A quick story...

I turned up at a customers workshop to get a car started that they couldn't start. It was a V6 cylinder engine that I was not familiar with, and neither myself, nor anyone at the workshop knew the firing order. And even worse than that, nobody knew if the cylinder order was 1,2,3 - 4,5,6 down each side, or 1,2 - 3,4 - 5,6 across the engine. And to a an extra spin to this, no one knew which ignition outputs on the Wolf had been wired to which physical coils.

So, how do I figure out the firing order on this engine. I'll I had was a timing mark on the balance for the cylinder that was the closest to the front of the engine. So I knew that this would be correct for at least one of the cylinders.

Luckily it dawned on me that day, how easy it is to figure out the ignition sequencing on any motor, no matter how much information you DON"T have.

All I had was an engine that was popping and farting when cranked, with no trigger errors.

HOW TO DO IT:

The first thing to do is to turn off all of the ignition outputs. It's easy on a Wolf V4 or V500, just go into the ignition sequencing folder and change all of the Ignition Offset Values to 255 (hence the name of this article).

Now, turn Ignition Output 1 on by making the value 0 (remember to turn the power off then on to the ECU to reset it every time you make changes here. The Wolf will not look at these values again until the power is reset. We do this so that you cannot accidentally change the engine firing order with the engine running - safety reasons).

Crank the engine. It will do one of three things. It will either try to start, or it will pop and backfire, ore it will do nothing. If it pops, backfires, or does nothing, you need to change the Ignition Offset Value for that ignition output until it tries to start on that cylinder. So go through the numbers, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. One of these values will be the correct on (on the specific engine I am talking about here - on an 8 cylinder engine running sequential ignition it will be 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7).

Lets say I do this, and the number that best tries to start the engine is 2. I then type the value 202 into the Ignition Offset Value for Ignition Output 1. This allows me to remember the value should be 2 (20"2"), plus it turns off that ignition output so that it will not interfere with your ability to find the correct values for the remaining ignition outputs.

Continue doing this for each of the ignition outputs that you are using, each time going through the numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and each time you find the right number type it into the value with 20 in front of it.

Now, you should end up with something like this:

Ignition 1 Offset - 0
Ignition 2 Offset - 2
Ignition 3 Offset - 4
Ignition 4 Offset - 5
Ignition 5 Offset - 3
Ignition 6 Offset - 1

Now the engine will start!

We use this technique whenever we have a car anywhere around the world and the customer does not know the firing order, or is not sure how the ignition system was wired.

It takes literally 5 minutes, and takes all of the guess work out of determining the ignition output sequencing.

Extra Trick: As you are going through each ignition output, and you determine which value should be in the previous output, you can ignore that value for any of the remaining ignition outputs. For example, if you find that ignition output 1 should have an ignition offset of 3, you no longer need to test the value of 3 in any other ignition outputs. If you follow this to its final conclusion, there will only be one number to test in the last ignition output you are trying. This extra trick will reduce the time it takes to determine all of the ignition offset values by 1/2.

Until Next Time,
Steve.

[OnAll-FOUR]

double post

[OnAll-FOUR]

Edit: I should read the thread more closely

[mikie]

all up and running now. Thanks Guys the injectors needed to be set to default 1,2,3,0,
the ignition to 2,1,3,0, if anyone wants screen shots or the map let me know.

Much Grass
Mike