4A-GE into Excel

[mic*]

Hi ppl,

A friend of mine has fine little hyundai excel that he desperately wants to do an engine conversion on, in his quest to be the most ridiculous person i know.

The propsed unit is a 4A-GE from an ADM AW11 MR2 somewhere between 87-89. It has distribution ignition. The guy wants $850 for C/W most of the loom. They are about the only sloid facts i know about it.

Can anyone tell me (as i am not that familliar with all the minor variations to these motors) exactly what i am dealing with here as there are intentions to boost? I think this would be a 16V smallport silvertop? Compression ratio?

Also, since the motor would be controlled by an aftermarket ECU, what are peoples opinions on the best options for ignition conversion?

Thanks

Oh, also, gearbox options for FWD (obviously )?

[roadsailing]

give your mate a negative rep, in the form of a slap to the head.

plenty of mitsubishy engines will bolt in earier, but if he is trying to be silly, steer him away from a poor helpless 4AGE.

AFAIK MR2s didnt come with smallports, but some have "beefy" blocks.

[Nim]

I think the Excell engine spins the same way as the Honda/Mitsu engiens. So you're better off with a B16A or B18C if you wanna go N/A. Or a 4G63 turbo mitsubishi engine, if it'll fit.

... I GUESS you could turbo the Honda engines... apparently VTEC and turbos hate eachother, but once you get them working it's brilliant. But that means pulling the block appart.

If you must have a 4A engine, don't get an N/A motor if you plan to turbo. Get an AE101 16 valve smallport 4A-GZE supercharged engine. That way, you just take off the SC, put on the turbo, and you're done without having to mess with internals. It's gonna be more expensive up front, but far less hassle in the long run. Also, it comes with a FWD gearbox (6 speed too I think, unless that's just the blacktop 20v engines, not sure).

P.S. Tell him to sell his car and get something that doesn't totaly suck. Even after the engine mod it's still gonna be crappy.

[Hydra]

Aren't the hyundai excels engines basically a mitsi engine anyway? 4A would be a nice change but it's a lot more work for something that could be cheaper and easier in the end.

I seem to recall reading that the block is a mitsi one but some generic hyundai head.

[Nim]

Probably a 4G15 if it's a mitsu block. If it is, then you're set. Just get a 4G63. Should bolt up. ... or not.

[Cam-Rush]

dude, im pretty sure, that a 4G63 as a relatively easy conversion, ring up a mitsy workshop and ask them, i have thought about doing something like this, it would be a hardcore sleeper!

[Nim]

Untill you twist something in the supension trying to put down all that power. Or try to stop and the drum brakes in the back lock up and throw you off the road... or you try to turn with the turbo spooled up and understeer off the road.

Yeah, untill that happens, it'd be great. Although it'd probably still get beaten by things an EVO wouldn't be beaten by.

[regin]

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...11scc_hyundai/ but why bother

[nihilism]

imo i think it's a waste. Hyundai's have poor build quality in general and are not built to handle any power - you'll break shit. FF engine conversions generally seem to be a pain in the ass anyway. It will cost a lot more to do than the car will ever be worth (true for the majority of conversions i guess).

[Cam-Rush]

i think its awesome, imagine pulling up to a stock JZA80 (2JZ no shit!) and smashing it in a excel!

[GtiRboy]

if this guy wants to do such things to an excel, let him do it, its his choice, let him learn the hard way

[nihilism]

i think its awesome, imagine pulling up to a stock JZA80 (2JZ no shit!) and smashing it in a excel!

nah.. i'd rather do it with and old corona wagon or something.

[GtiRboy]

nah.. i'd rather do it with and old corona wagon or something.

i'd rather do it in my corolla

[Nim]

i think its awesome, imagine pulling up to a stock JZA80 (2JZ no shit!) and smashing it in a excel!

Assume you get a 4G63 from an evo.
Lets assume you get one that isn't totaly crap, and can put out 200kw
Lets assume for a moment that after more than a year of pain and suffering, and messing about and spending way more than you expected to, you actualy get the engine sorted, and have it working in the car.
Lets also assume that after more messing about and blood and tears, you have the suspension and front wheel mods to put down that much power.

At this point your Excell has cost as much as a stock JZA80 RZ.

You go out and fine a JZA80 RZ to play with. He laughs at you, and so does the hot chick in his passenger seat. You, of course, only have your mate in the car, 'cuz you can't get a girl to sit in your excell, let alone be in the car while you drive.
He gives you a go though. You floor it, and he gets the jump on you 'cuz of his RWD and better torque. At the top of the gear, you gain on him. By the top of second you're neck and neck. But the top of third, there is about 1m between your rear bumper and his front bumper.
Then there comes a corner, and he sails past like your standing still. You enter the next corner a bit fast, to try to catch up, and you lock up those drum brakes you have, and spin your car, almost slaming your passenger side into a lamp post. Your mate punches you in the face and walks off. You never see him again.

You do some more suspension mods and finaly upgrade the brakes too, and put even fatter tyres on. Your car is now really hard to steer and is the most horrid daily ever, but at least it doesn't handle like a block of cement.

You go out again, this time with your new girlfriend who you managed to blackmail to come with you. You find this JZA80. You race again, and this time he thumps you. See while you where spending shitloads of cash on your handling, your JZA80 friend used the same amount of money to get some steel wheel turbos, up the boost, re-tune and get a full exhaust and intake. He now makes more power than you could hope to put down.
He also still beats you through the corners, even though he lets you catch up on the straights 'cuz his stock suspension is better than your modded suspension.

That night you try to get lucky with you girlfriend. She turns you down even though you parket in the most romantic place you could find. You go to leave, but your car wont start. You eventualy give up and your girlfriend gets her dad to come pick her up. Your girlfriends dad drives a BMW M3, and laughs at your car. You catch a Taxi home.

The next week you find out that some mechanic stuffed up, and your engine is gonna need a rebuild costing you more cash. Also, your girlfriend dumps you, and starts going out with the guy who was driving the JZA80 RZ.

The lesson? Just get a JZA80 Supra RZ. Not only will it be less hassle, it also wont be a bloody Excell!

[sw20r]

MR2' gearbox are fwd. they are the same transverse mounted gear just in th boot