1uzfe mods

[sideshow]

well there is a massive money difference between people fart assing around on forums and people who are in it to win races

anyway its not my money

[Joshstix]

I'll field the questions about the Xede and SAS.

Yes the price for the purchase install and tune of the Xede was ~$1600 last time I checked.
Yes SAS is where we hold our Dyno Days.
Dave the tuner at SAS is a really skilled tuner and has done tuning work for a lot of club members myself included. His work is first rate.

[oldcorollas]

well there is a massive money difference between people fart assing around on forums and people who are in it to win races

thats true, but they have already spent the money on development... so once you know what bits are needed......
it's the same for any engine, slowly the top end work out what is required, and then the information trickles down to the backyarders...

but some backyarders still get surprising results if they do their homework.

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well there is a massive money difference between people fart assing around on forums and people who are in it to win races

anyway its not my money

yup, so true...

...i dont see how that reflects on the 1uz being over bragged though. it is more than capable of making massive number, NA/SC/Turbo whatever. Just goes to show that the engines youve seen havent been done right, or the money has been spent in the wrong things.

the 'bolt on' headers and CAI approach to NA performance is miserable money/hp ratio. still doesnt stop performance shops from taking folks money. an NA engine needs to be built as an entire package in one go. thats time, effort, money, and no car

its not 'NA shit' its just a full-on route of modification

[sideshow]

sorry i didnt really mean shit
just my ute doesnt excite me much like others in the 4wd scene say

all im sayin is beware with how much u spend on it in n/a form

it can easily blow out to 8000 bucks

ive seen it happen and if the customer knew the power figure by the dyno he would be pissed off

so it was kept secret

im wiring up a microtech tomorrow on a 1uz with to turbos out front of engine and 2 intercoolers out front

this should be a goer

[gianttomato]

Let them keep their turbos. Way off topic too boys.

I honestly can't see how this thing could make less than 400 hp if it were done right!

Accept that the 1UZ is way underdone as an NA motor. With a power sapping auto, stock ECU and world's most awful exhaust manifold (makes a Ford 250 log manifold look like YelloRolla's headers), these agricultural clumpers are still putting down around 130 rwkW(ish).

If you are budgetarily constrained, then a homebrew CAI and a set of extractors/exhaust will net modest rewards. After that, it gets painful.

A manual box, some ITBs, aftermarket ECU and a decent set of tuned length extractors will show you very quickly who's boss without even opening the motor. A whole world of goodness awaits those who do open up the motor. Unfortunately most people baulk here as it is quite exxy - like Norbie said, everything is in multiples of 8 (except for cams - which are still fucking expensive anyway).

I'd buy the manifold and linkage kit from www.1uzquadcam.co.nz and a set of 47or 48mm ITBs from Glenn (CelicaRA45) if I were doing this.

[oldcorollas]

sure if you bend over and hand someone your wallet it will cost a shitload and you will get a poor result. and if all you are after is a dyno number, than NA is obviously not for you. as Ed said, you MUST design the engine as a package or it is pointless.

same for any engine.... how much do "workshops" charge to swap a 4AC with a 4AG? so many "performance workshops" are crap. they charge high prices for simple work because thats what the market will bear. they will never care as much as you do about your own car, and it's one of the best reasons to learn to do it yourself...

$1200 for extractors? fark me.. make em yourself for $2-300 it's too easy...

[gianttomato]

but some backyarders still get surprising results if they do their homework.

This backyarder is probably making the same power as the works TRD guys.....

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GT is right - we should get back on topic....

[CrUZida]

Cruzida:I'm guessing you've used the SAS guys before?

I'm in WA, so no, I haven't. But I've seen some of the results from the tuner.
Joshstix summed it up nicely.

I was also thinking of getting cams done before ecu but still would depend on cost of cams, still not sure of what to look for cam wise, just having a bit more of a look on lextreme.

From memory cams are $1500 from Tighe Cams, $300 for new springs.
New shims will be on top of this.
That price is probably close to a year old now, so take it with a grain of salt.

True it would be better bang for buck if i went turbo, but if i was going to build turbo or s/c 1uz i would try and do it properly, completely rebuild top to bottom with decent sized turbo(s) or s/c and able to handle decent amount of boost (around 20psi for drag/track days) and basically be able to punch out some fairly good numbers

This is pretty much the exact same reason I have stuck with NA (plus the whole NA response is phenomenal).

all im sayin is beware with how much u spend on it in n/a form
it can easily blow out to 8000 bucks

If you can build an NA 1uz for $8000 bucks you are doing well.
I'm over $8000 and I haven't even opened the motor up yet.

Sure, $8000 for a 45rwkw increase is lousy bang for buck, but I've now got the external bits that can support 400hp+

A set of cams will be coming in the somewhat near future, and then hopefully we shall start seeing what these motor can do.

[CrUZida]

Accept that the 1UZ is way underdone as an NA motor. With a power sapping auto, stock ECU and world's most awful exhaust manifold (makes a Ford 250 log manifold look like YelloRolla's headers), these agricultural clumpers are still putting down around 130 rwkW(ish).

Only the Crown has the crap headers.
The Soarer headers will support 160rwkw quite nicely and the Celsior headers will support 180rwkw quite nicely too.

But if you look at some of the headers other Toyota's and other manufacturers have used it really is very common.

My dad kept laughing at my stock Crown headers, I took one look at the 5VZFE in his Prado and quickly pointed out that it runs identical headers to the Crown.

Mercedes use the same style of log headers on most of their non performance V8's as well.

Sorry to get off topic here. Ed, delete at will.

[gianttomato]

Only the Crown has the crap headers.

This highlights my point - I can still churn out 122 - 132 rwkW (depending on dyno) with those godawful logs.....

[CoronaC]

Alrighty, if i get one before the mid year dyno day (13?) then ill put it on to see what its got stock and then just go from there if im not satisfied with the power.

On the topic of FI, what would be some suggestions for S/C or Turbo to use? just a bit curious

cheers
chris

[gianttomato]

There are a couple of people who have mounted Eaton M90 superchargers in the valley. If you go to Planet Soarer and fossick about, you'll find the page.

[ed]

m112 eaton is a better choice

cheers
ed