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    pedro sanchez wannabee Domestic Engineer Dom-AE71's Avatar
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    Im going to be posting up any resources and technical information relating to KE Corolla's and modifying them.

    NOTE: Please only contribute TECHNICAL information/discussions. Save the idle chit chat for somewhere else so this thread remains resourceful!

    Links:

    Old Corolla Pages
    http://www.superjamie.net/oldcorollas/
    http://www.geocities.com/jonnyr_1973/

    Installing a Battery in the Boot
    http://users.bigpond.net.au/lachlan/tech/bat_v.html

    Hydraulic Clutch Conversion Tech Info
    http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.p...t=0#msg_518024

    RWD 3SGE & 3SGTE Conversion
    http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.p...t=0#msg_599432
    http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.p...30d123c5d86d80

    KE20 Brake Booster Tech Info
    http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.p...t=0#msg_544554

    KE20 Modification Discussion
    http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.p...t=0#msg_442759

    Toyota Engine/Modification Info
    http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7177/page1.html

    Bill Sherwood 4AGE Page
    http://www.billzilla.org/4agstock.htm

    RWD 4AGE Conversion Info (Water Outlet & Remote Thermostat)
    http://www.witzl.com/tech/FWD-RWD%20water%20outlet.htm

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    Some basic pointers for KE70 Corolla.

    Engines and engine crossmembers:
    TE7# and AE7# engine and gearbox crossmembers interchange to allow for easy engine conversions from K motors to T (including 2T-G, 2T-GEU, 3T-GTEU) and A (including 4A-GE, 4A-GZE, 4A-GE w/ 20V, 7A) motors, most of which are a definate improvement. T engine crossmembers don't have steering rack.

    When fitting my 2T-G I used a T crossmember with the K crossmember's steering rack mounts welded on. Engine-to-gearbox reinforcement bracket (factory cast iron thing) fouled on the boss where the steering column/shaft met the steering rack. Removed this and my gearbox hasn't fallen off the engine just yet.

    Suspension and Brakes:
    Underlying suspension geometry and design is shared with AE86, pretty much. I think the Macpherson strut inside diameter is different on KE70, so you need different damper cartridges specific to KE70. Alternatively you can change the struts altogether.

    Struts, brakes, steering arms, camber:
    Steering arm flange pattern at the strut mount is shared with earlier Corollas, but not larger Coronas and Celicas of the same or earlier time periods; the bolt spacing is marginally wider in this application. Good to remember when changing struts for decent brakes.

    On this note, RT132 struts and steering arms when used in tandem will give twin piston calipers, 266mm discs and larger-body inserts while bolting to the existing ball joint (ball joint p/n shared with early Corona, Corolla and Celica models). If this isn't enough, RT132 struts can be used with DBA F282 discs and RN104 calipers to give 4 pistons, big pads and vented discs. Master cylinder upgrade is required in this case. RA23/RA28/RA40 or #A6# struts can be used as an alternative. Dunno why you'd bother with less than #A6# struts, the earlier Celica brakes were pretty average and not much improvement.

    I used RT132 struts with RT132 steering arms on standard KE70 control arms and found that when set up at a desirable ride height I achieved practically neutral camber; good for a street-driven setup. RT132 lower control arms are longer and will give more negative camber. RA40 arms are an alternative. Both models of control arm will fit the crossmember and almost any Corona, Celica or Corolla steering arm (including OEM KE70) without modification. All Crown and Cressida arms I've looked at are HOOJ and are not recommended unless 5+ degrees negative camber is somehow a necessary contribution to your self-image.

    The KE70 strut tower is not big, most struts from larger cars (ie. RT132) would have a standard spring size too large for the tower. Wind a conical spring to suit your strut's lower seat and the KE70 upper seat in the length and rate you want, or convert to narrow coilover springs with a weld-on coilover kit. This has the added advantage of allowing additional clearance for alignment change.

    EDIT: Seems as though AE86 strut tops are interchangable with KE70 - read on below.

    More later.
    Last edited by SeptemberSquall; 12-10-2005 at 02:52 AM.

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    "I'm a Teaspoon, not a mechanic"
    "There is hardly anything in the world that a man can not make a little worse and sell a little cheaper" - John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

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    top strut mount stud pattern on ke70 are same as ae86!

    dont know if interchangeable?, but ive got ae86 front suspension
    in my ke70, no drama's

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    Quote Originally Posted by beige_bandit
    top strut mount stud pattern on ke70 are same as ae86!

    dont know if interchangeable?, but ive got ae86 front suspension
    in my ke70, no drama's
    slightly different, i think different front to back offset of the top, but the Cusco tops definitely work. they can be swapped from side to side to give more or less castor also.
    "I'm a Teaspoon, not a mechanic"
    "There is hardly anything in the world that a man can not make a little worse and sell a little cheaper" - John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

    AU$TRALIA... come and stay and PAY and PAY!!! The moral high horse of the world!

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    http://home.pacific.net.au/~jjm/index.htm
    not so much tech
    before the conversion

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    Never mind
    Last edited by beige_bandit; 16-12-2005 at 08:44 AM. Reason: I'm full of shit sometimes

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    this site has info about a 2t conversion into a KE55
    http://ke55.1colony.com/
    this site is about old corollas (I think its taken info from old corollas sits and super jamie)
    http://www.rollaclub.com/faq/index.php?title=Main_Page

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    Dom - KE55 and All,

    The problem with linking to a multitude of other peoples web sites is that you never know when they are going to disapear offline and all your left with is a broken link.

    Rather than start what could possibly develop into a mile long thread of unsorted information, I strongly suggest starting a different thread for at least each series of Corolla's. As much as possible actually provide the information, not a link to someone elses If you could do this then the end result will be a selection of much easier to read and more beneficial threads.

    Thanks
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    1975 2T-G Celica TA27 GT
    1976 2T-G Celica TA23, aka "The Colonel".
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    History: Rods Classic Celica Sampler thread.

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    Default Re: KE Dedicated Thread

    hey but you've made life much easier for a lot of people already! Great stuff!

    PS: I love this thread (toymods.org/.net) on so many levels

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    Default Re: KE Dedicated Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by pushrod_POWA
    this site has info about a 2t conversion into a KE55
    http://ke55.1colony.com/
    This is a little site I built a while ago, and seeing as I see you guys have linked it here I am going to finish it off when I get a chance. Hope it's helped some people!
    Cheers

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    i would love for you to finnish that site. it would be of great assistance to me. specially if you included info about what diff you used and how it was installed.

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    Default Re: KE Dedicated Thread

    I have built my ke25 with a 4age 16v, i will put up information a bit later if people want..

    As well, I am restoring a Ke26 currently. And just purchased a Ke20 with a 4agze in pieces which i will be building up.

    Also rear brake parts numbers for Ke20/25/26 are here:

    Wheel Cylinders(pair): PBR JB2396G $24.99 trade price

    Shoes: Bonded Brakes Australia N1189 $20.99 trade price

    The listing is under Ke20 1.2l(pretty sure) but it fits all the Ke2X models! Did it today to my Ke26(31/7/07)


    I also upgrade my Ke26 front drums to Ke20 disc brakes. All i did was take the struts outta my ke20 and swapped them with the drums. Only 5 bolts(2 for steering knuckle down the bottom and 3 for strut top) then took off the brake line up near where the line comes thru the chassis. Bleed the brakes and thats it!

    Cheers
    Mic
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    Sorry to interrupt, but the XA6X celica struts have a different strut to stub axle angle to the earlier celicas. In light of this, the XA6X struts will give POSITIVE camber!! dammit. Maybe if you use the long ass cressida/crown control arms, this would bring back a nice neg camber, though this will change your front wheel track, probably significantly too. Just a warning about this "upgrade".

    Cheers, Owen

    Quote Originally Posted by SeptemberSquall
    RA23/RA28/RA40 or #A6# struts can be used as an alternative. Dunno why you'd bother with less than #A6# struts, the earlier Celica brakes were pretty average and not much improvement.
    Cheers, Owen
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    Quote Originally Posted by o_man_ra23
    Sorry to interrupt, but the XA6X celica struts have a different strut to stub axle angle to the earlier celicas. In light of this, the XA6X struts will give POSITIVE camber!! dammit. Maybe if you use the long ass cressida/crown control arms, this would bring back a nice neg camber, though this will change your front wheel track, probably significantly too. Just a warning about this "upgrade".

    Cheers, Owen
    This is true, but can be corrected by;

    a) bending the strut, or
    b) adjustable strut tops, or
    c) longer lower control arms (as you've said).

    Apologies for the omission, I should have been clearer that it was not a bolt in upgrade.

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