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    Default KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    Hi all,

    Im in the process of getting my 82 model KE70 on the road. It currently has an auto box in it, but i have scrapped an 84 model not too long ago, taking from it the 5 speed box, pedal assembly, clutch, flywheel, tailshaft, clutch cable, speedo cable and starter motor just to be sure i've got the lot.

    Now i have looked at the clutch plate and I decided to get a brand new one on ebay and it arrived nice and quick, but upon going to bursons this afternoon to order a thrust bearing I was asked which model, i said KE70 but he informed me that there is the 19 tooth spline box and the 21 tooth spline box. Just trying to find out if anyone else has encountered this problem and can you tell which car will have which box without pulling it out and counting teeth? I assume that both of these 5 speeds are named with different model numbers, or are they both K50's?

    I'm now stuck with a rare clutch plate to suit a 21 tooth spline box, when my box is the 19 tooth variant.

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    Default Re: KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    i think the xx models had the 21 tooth, but i would also think that all KE70 have the 21 spline, so really i can't answer you question.

    Just pull it out, it will only take 1/2 hour if you have all the tool's, and if you have the flywheel you are gonna have to pull it out anyway.

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    Default Re: KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    I have the gearbox sitting there at my dad's factory and he's messaged me to say it's the 19 tooth box.

    Looks like I may as well get a clutch kit to suit the 19 now.

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    Default Re: KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    erm... input shaft from KE20 to KE70 didn't change..
    perhaps the 21 spline plate you have is actually from an AE71, with a T50?

    ebay is teh suck for clutch parts
    list it again, and buy a proper one
    an RPM clutch is a good choice
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    Default Re: KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    retract ths statement as i may be wrong
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    Default Re: KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    I thought T50 where only 20 or 22 spline, not 21, there is a 21 spline K50 as this is what the Starlet boys use when converting to 4A, isn't it?

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    Default Re: KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    Don't know if it is to suit T50, i can check tomorrow pretty easy as my AE71 is sitting in the carport with no motor

    The bursons book gave two different part numbers for two different thrust bearings but each said to suit 1.3L with the part number for the 21 spline version having the word rare in brackets after it.

    The reason I made this tread is to...
    A. Determine what model this so called "(Rare) 5 Speed" is in.
    B. If it is also called a K50 or different model number box alltogether.
    C. To help out others who need to get a clutch kit or parts for their own KE70 so they don't end up with parts they do not need, as I have just done.

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    Default Re: KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    Clutch plate slides straight onto My AE71 box.

    Seems as though people refer to AE71's as KE70's by the looks of things.

    Buyer beware!

    At least I know I can use the part now

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    Default Re: KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    Maybe the other "1.3L" - rare 5 speed is the 2A?

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    Default Re: KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    Quote Originally Posted by blacktopspirit
    I thought T50 where only 20 or 22 spline, not 21, there is a 21 spline K50 as this is what the Starlet boys use when converting to 4A, isn't it?

    When people say T50 20 or 22 spline they are referring to the output shaft that goes into the driveshaft.

    Here they have been taliking about the Input shaft that the clutch plate goes on.
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    Default Re: KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    Quote Originally Posted by stahlz_ae86
    Maybe the other "1.3L" - rare 5 speed is the 2A?
    Some Ke7* models were available with the T series box, I believe the KE74 high roof wagon ran a 4K with T40 box behind it for example. Obviously extremely rare in Oz but you see a few around in NZ where we got them as jap imports, bellhousing is pretty sought after.

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    Default Re: KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    hmm wasnt ke74 5k with t50?
    either way, it was T series
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    Default Re: KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    My bad!

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    Default Re: KE70 19 tooth spline & 21 tooth spline 5 speed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Revhead
    hmm wasnt ke74 5k with t50?
    either way, it was T series
    You could be right, maybe it was the KE72 that ran the 4K? Either way, pretty rare in NZ and virtually non existent in Oz.

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