Camry 1MZFE to VVTI?

[birdie]

I am considering getting a Manual MCV36R Camry Sportivo, now they come with the 1MZFE but its only 145kW and 28xNm of Torque whereas the 1MZFE that came in the avalon and ES300 has VVTI and produced 172 kW and 328 Nm - much nicer...

Now i was wondering what the difference's between the two motors are? is it only the head?
Could i get the head and ECU from one with VVTi and put it onto the camry motor to give the extra power?

[Mos]

If I were to hazard a guess I'd say the port design is a lot better in the newer heads, hence the higher figures (but that's a guess at best).

I'd also guess that the block would be different, but possibly not. Some VVTi engines have an external oil feed to the front cam bearing for the VVTi solenoid (eg 1G-FE, 1JZ-GTE, 2JZ-GTE) but others have internal feeds (eg 1UZ-FE) necessitating a different block.

Best bet would be to get the whole engine rather than just heads. Chances are there are other benefits (like lighter rods and pistons) and you don't have to split the engine.

Mos.

[wagonist]

I'd go one step further & suggest you get the motor out of a local Kluger with the 3.3L 3MZ-FE.
It has the VVTi, 175 odd kW & more torque.

Plus, its a locally delivered motor, so you'd be able to get bits from any old Toyota dealer (or even aftermarket)

[2jzhilux]

just a heads up the avalon released in australia did not come with vvti

[wagonist]

Neither did the V6 Camry.
Only the 4 cylinders had VVti.

Hence the reason I said Kluger 3MZ. If something screws up with the VVti system, there's more chance of getting that fixed.

[2jzhilux]

the 1MZFE that came in the avalon and ES300 has VVTI and produced 172 kW and 328 Nm - much nicer...

i was refering to this


i would just put an exhaust and decent intake on it
if you arent happy with that maybe look at a supercharger
i can also guarantee the avalon never made 172 kw it was nearly the same as the camry



As wagonist said the 3mz may also be an option
i think the ecu will be the main problem in doing this

[wagonist]

ahh, Tis true

I forgot the OZ ES300 had the VVTi version.
Though I did see a Windom frontcut at the wrecker today with a 2.5L engine insted of a 3L.

[birdie]

I had thought of a 3MZ-FE but i thought they would be a bit expensive and rare??? Anyone know what they are worth and where to source one?

If its going to be overly expensive i'd probably just get my mate who owns Raptor Superchargers (www.raptorsc.com.au) to develop a kit for it... (which is what i'd like to do anyway but starting with extra power would be better )

[wagonist]

Came across a wrecked ES300 complete with the VVti 1MZ still intact at the local today.

Was also the place which I've seen several Klugers being wrecked. I think the last 3MZ I got a price for was around the $3k mark (but that was a while ago so don't quote me on that).

[birdie]

I'm digging up my old thread...

I now have a 2002 Camry Sportivo V6 Manual... (with sunroof, lowered on King Springs, and a few other mods)

wagonist, where did you see the wrecked ES300?

Even though I'd love the Camry with a 3.3L VVTi motor in it... its my daily driver... and i don't really want to go ripping out a mechanically perfect motor (only done 98,000ks).
So i'd prefer it if i could do the head swap for the VVTi head...

The 1MZFE in mine produces 145kW and 284Nm of Torque whereas the 1MZFE that came in the ES300 has VVTi and produced 158 kW and 299 Nm - much nicer.... (Jap tune had 162kw) (The 172kw, 328Nm is for the 3MZFE)

Other thing i was considering was forced induction, in the form of a supercharger kit...
Now i was considering a centrifugal supercharger (which i'd get from my good mate who owns and builds them at Raptor Superchargers) but upon having another look last night at my engine bay... the only way i could fit it i recon is i'd have to move the battery to the boot and move the cruise control module over to the right (or elsewhere)...
And the other option i thought of was to maybe build a kit based on the Eaton M62 (same one the TRD kit was based on) and then i could mount it up where the TRD one goes...??

Any thoughts comment or recommendations?

[Kedderz]

supercharger kit (im pretty sure you can get them in the states) would be your best bang for buck.
fitting VVTI heads (if they do fit a non vvti block most likely water jackets etc wont line up and require mods) will require not only fitting them but also you would have to change ECU to either a factory VVTI unit or an expensive after market unit to drive/trigger the VVTI. Either way adding the VVTI will be expensive and the supercharger would give a power boost to whole torque range where as vvti will be less noticeable.

[thechuckster]

Birdie, a guy in our club has a supercharged Sportivo V6 Camry - he runs an imported TRD kit - no intercooler so only runs 7-8psi of boost. No relocation of battery required.

PM me if you want an email address or to pass on a message.

[birdie]

7-8 psi??? are you sure? as far as i was aware you can only run up to 5.5psi with the TRD supercharger...

Is he on the club forums? I might sign up to them too... can never have too many toyota forums

[thechuckster]

i thought he was above that limit - it gives wilbo's 1JZ a run for its money until late into 3rd gear. He's not on here as far as i know - our club forums are in gestation but I expect he'll be on there when we get members onto it.