22r->w58

[nedm]

is the w58 a direct bolt-on to the 22r engine?
also is there any differences between the 22r out of a hilux and the car(lol, models unknown) version of the 22r?

[ill-minded]

should bolt up as long as you have the right bellhousing, etc so i don't think there should be any problems unless you do have a different bellhousing.
as far as i know, i don't think theres any/much difference between the hilux/celica variants but someone else can probably confirm that

[nedm]

well if i get a w58 out of a MkIV supra, will it have the right bellhousing to go onto the 22r. so what im asking, is there a special bellhousing needed to bolt the two together.

[ill-minded]

i think (having no first hand knowledge) that you probably will have to find another bellhousing that suits a R series engine and a W series gearbox so maybe look for RA60/65 celicas. im not too sure about the differences between teh earlier and later W58 boxes though, as before, someone else can confirm this

[thechuckster]

you would need the bell-housing from a manual RA65 - it has a 22RE engine connected to W5x gearbox.

a manual MA70 will have a bell-housing to suit an M-series motor.

[nedm]

are they common?

[mrshin]

Should have no trouble finding R>W housing - people usually toss them away when they get a W box from a Celica for something else.

[o_man_ra23]

As far as bellhousings etc are concerned, the 22Rs are identical. Even W50 boxes with 18R bellhousings will bolt up if you want a cheaper option. Also, unless you have bombed the hell out of the 22R, then a W58 wont be necessary, and you would be better off finding a W55 from a corona, as they are more common and a lot cheaper (you can probably pick up the corona for $100, keep the gearbox and fittings, and send the rest to a wrecker who may give you $50 for it).

Also, the Celicas and coronas ran the 22RE, same motor, except it had EFI (different cam too as it didnt have the lobe for the fuel pump). These are better on fuel etc, and are often the first upgrade to a 22R-C powered vehicle. Im pretty sure the early hiaces etc ran the carby motor, and the later ones the injection.

The 22RE was made into the mid 90's, and there were some computer upgrades etc along the way. So if you are looking for a motor, look into a late model one.

Cheers, Owen

[thechuckster]

note: an R-engine to W50 bell-housing will not connect an R-engine to a W55/57/58 gearbox.

this has probably been mentioned elsewhere but worth remembering if you are dead keen on a W55/57/58.

[nedm]

nah, i want to keep it carbied for now with
CAM
Intake Setup
1 5/8" extractors
forged pistons, with a semi low compression ratio for turbo later
H-rod beams
ported head
oversized valves

once my parents get over them selfs, then i shall EFI and turbo.

[CrUZida]

Or for half the cost you could drop in a 1GGE or 1GGTE and have more power and more efficiency.

[nedm]

ahaha, half the cost.
this is for a hilux lol, the 22r is going to cost about 3000 and the 1ggte will cost $6-7K plus egineers report.

also, my parents have said nothing over 4 cyclinder anyway.

[CrUZida]

With those 2 links you've just shown well over $2500 worth of parts, plus rods, plus pistons, plus head porting, plus turbo, plus EFI.

You could do a 1GGTE for under $4k easy (plus report).
And you'll have a much more drivable/reliable car.

[nedm]

yeh, but it dosent really matter if the 1ggte conversion only cost 2k. my parents dont want me having more than 4 pots and turbo is a big no-no.

EDIT: well talked to my olds, they reackon its alrite once im 18.
also, now i think about it, $4k sounds about right instead of $6k. i think when i said $6k, i was including aftermarket ECU and intercooler.
but, if i just drive around standard for a while i would be better off.

[CrUZida]

The reason I'm saying this is doing anything to a 22R is just polishing a turd.

Many people in the past have tried to get them to make power, but they just cant.

You will be much better off just using the stocko motor until you can convince your parents to let you put in a different motor.

The 1G is only 2.0L (as I'm sure you'd know), so you are actually dropping in capacity, even though you are adding 2 cyls.