Toyota Nationals 2007 6th-9th April

[river]

Hi,

Interesting. The Nationals web site says that the "original" class is for stock pre-1986 models, and "stock" class is for post 86 vehicles.

When did it change to "Original/Stock", which appears to cover all years?

Judging by what I saw at the Show & Shine my old AE71 would of won the "original" class, let alone the RA25GT.

It appears that the trophy classes you specified in the application form and on the web-site are chopped and changed at will.

When and why was the "original" class award discarded? If I had of known before the event I would of taken the Vectra.

Also, how come there are multiple runner-ups for some things (ie super street class; forced induction 6cyl), yet no runner ups for the other classes?

It was a great weekend and good to socialise and meet up with the people, but crikey, the awards (change them, no runner ups, etc) suck.

As Hoff would say... I'm not angry, but I'm very disappointed, and a tad confused.

seeyuzz
river

[RONA]

It appears the century won your class river

[river]

Hi,

So it seems, but I'm sure the Century is post 86?

seeyuzz
river

[grim boy]

i would have to agree with old man river on this one , was a grate week end but the awards were chop and changed so much ,and ppl getting awarded the wrong awards all over the shop , three accounts of the top of my head .

Dennis

[TheToyman75]

I think it was more along the lines that Kylie entered on the day as a normal drag racing compeditor, not as a Nationals entrant and even though she was faster, the results didn't count towards Nationals results, I think....Jase or Grant can clarify it though.

Nathan,

On the Friday and Saturday people were encouraged to enter the Drags on the Sunday to help offset the increased costs of the event for the Dubbo City car Club, surely if they were not elligible to compete this would have been announced ?

Its a big event and was agreat weekend that takes allot of planning and organisation so I take my hat off to Dave and Grant and all involved for organising it. Its also really easy for minor errors or miscomunication to happen. I'm sure it will all be sorted out and make sence when Grant has time to deliver the offical word .

[Alchemist]

Yup, I'd really like to wait for Grant to deliver an "official" word instead of my constant guessing. I've popped him an email and asked he visit this thread as soon as he has a chance.

I was speaking to Jase on the weekend(after minigolf) and he wanted to find out how to get the trophy to Vanessa the lady that was awarded the award instead of Kylie, I can't remember how/why, but there is more to it than meets the eye for that one.

[RONA]

ONly thing I can think is Kylie wasn't driving her car when the time was set

[Alchemist]

Maybe, I know that it was driven by others during the day.

Anyway, enough comments from me, I'm going to stay out of it until we get some solid facts

[TheStitt]

nah kylie would of being driving it then, she was doing low and sub 9's next to the wagon

[YelloRolla]

ONly thing I can think is Kylie wasn't driving her car when the time was set

Actually Kylie was driving the car when the time was set. Johnny drove it once and ran a 9.0.
Johnny actually placed his number on the car so that driver details were correct in the event of an accident. He was duelly awarded the gong for "fastest naturally aspirated 6cyl", which he turned over as soon as he realized the error.

Jas

[Roundy]

ummm another tiny prob

Vanessa Ford managed a 10.49 as well as her 10.84.

Got the time slip here for it too she will be quite annoyed is she sees it haha!

Cheers
Nathan

[horse]

If this is the definition:

STREET category is for Toyotas fitted with aftermarket accessories like mags, sports steering wheel, exhaust, big stereo etc but still retain the factory engine. Allowances will be made for cars fitted with twin-cam engines provided they were available as a factory option for that model e.g. 18RG in RA23, 16v 4AGE in Sprinter.

then on what grounds does this car
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...t/red162-1.jpg

win over this car

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g5...ynats07246.jpg

from what i can tell they both satisfy the criteria of the class. i mean no offense to either of the owners, just curious on how the judging works. what determines a modification, does the change of a front bar constitute a major body modification, and if so wouldn't that equate to the Super Street Class? it seems like a great event, just some confusion here and there which may cause a negative effect on the events attraction.

Cheers

[AndyTTR]

then on what grounds does this car
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...t/red162-1.jpg

win over this car

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g5...ynats07246.jpg

I was also wondering the same thing, no offence to andrew, but there are so many nice pre '85 cars in the club and in the pictures from the event that satisfy the criteria?

Also, even tho the build plate on the ST162 says it was built in '85, im pretty sure they were only sold here between '86 and '89? Does this mean that ST162's which are otherwise identical but built after '85 are inelegible?

[Andrew162]

I wondered who was going to bring this up... Huy, river's ride is classified as "stock" while mine would be classified as "street"...

SUPER STREET suits Toyotas fitted with non-optioned,larger capacity or turbo/ supercharged engines in addition to other major changes to body, suspension and interior.

so from that I deduce that a bodykit or part thereof wouldn't constitute a major change to body.

Andy, I guess part of your post relates to my answer above as well. My car was entered as a car built in Nov. 85 regardless of it's classification of being an '86 model. The model year of most Toyota's these days quite often starts in the last quarter of the year before... if that makes any sense. I'm sure that if it were built in 1986 then it would be judged in the 1986-1999 section instead. That's my thinking of it anyway.

I spoke to the officials as well when I was awarded the trophy, but Grant assured me that it was definitely judged correctly.

[river]

Hi,

Andrew is correct. My vehicle was entered in the "original" class, which is for pre-86 vehicles.

I don't have an issue with anyone winning a class. If another vehicle, in the same class as mine beats me, then so be it.

However, I do have an issue when you pay for and enter a particular class, only to find out after the event the class you entered into was changed or removed. If there was no "original" class then I would not have entered the competition, saved myself a few dollars and would of driven a different vehicle all that distance to Dubbo.

At the end of the day I guess this sounds like whinging, which isn't my intent. I am trying to clarify what happened and why the classes were changed, plus I'd like to also know why some classes/events had multiple placement awards (6cyl forced) and others only got a 1st place (4cyl).

I don't want to detract from what was a great weekend and time spent by the organisers (in their spare time) in getting the event up and running. They put in a lot of hard work and I have much respect for their efforts. However, I feel the awards were, at best, handled with less finesse than the rest of the event.

seeyuzz
river