Engineers certificate for 22re

[Mamutt]

Im replacing my 22r with a 22re, and ive just spoken to the RTA about it, and have been told that i need an engineers certificate??? Why???
has anyone else done this swop before and had to get it engineered???
just doesnt seem right to me!!!! its the same engine but with EFI

Does anyone know the kilawat differance in a 22r and a 22re???

[shelldrake]

lol! I continued a similar thread about my hybrid motor in the general discussions section. Your problem should be easier than mine. As long as the emissions are up to scratch(The same standard as the car it came from) you should be fine. The motor itself is the same right.(Power would not have increased that much)

[RONA]

Im replacing my 22r with a 22re, and ive just spoken to the RTA about it, and have been told that i need an engineers certificate??? Why???
has anyone else done this swop before and had to get it engineered???
just doesnt seem right to me!!!! its the same engine but with EFI

Does anyone know the kilawat differance in a 22r and a 22re???

converting from carby to efi requires a engineers certificate if you read the RTA guidelines on their website.

[shelldrake]

Really! Jeebus. Thanks for the heads up. Maybe, I'll wait till I do my efi conversion before sorting out the legalities!

[RONA]

Really! Jeebus. Thanks for the heads up. Maybe, I'll wait till I do my efi conversion before sorting out the legalities!

I should note this is applicable to NSW I am not aware of the regs for any other state.

[brett_celicacoupe]

Does anyone know the kilawat differance in a 22r and a 22re???

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/P...00624#R-series

[Mamutt]

Dam, i may actually have to go through with it!!!!

thanks for the spec sheet to

[brett_celicacoupe]

i wouldnt worry about it. how many cops are going to say ' there is no E on the build plate....im defecting you.' seriously....how will they tell the difference? the block still says 22R. the efi manifold is stock looking so it wont even raise an eyebrow.

[CrUZida]

Engineering should only be done so that in the event of an accident you don't get raped.

The police should be the last thing on your mind.

[thechuckster]

I should note this is applicable to NSW I am not aware of the regs for any other state.

would apply in any state - certainly Qld.

Given that it would be a big improvement in emissions output, it would be highly unlikely that you get rejected (unless you did something stupid like run flexible EFI hose all the way from the tank to the engine bay).

edit: cruzida is right, the likelihood of being defected is 0.4%.

[Mamutt]

0.4%
so your saying theres a chance?? hehehe

But to get the Blue slip, wouldnt i need to get it engineered either way, as its changing from carby to EFI???

Spoke to two guys at the RTA, one said yes, get it engineered, and the other said no, unless the capacity or the power output increase over 15% from the original engine, then its required!!!! (im thinking a third time lucky phone call)

[thechuckster]

there was a thread a while back that listed engineers that people where happy with - a bit of selective searching should find it.

I'd simply an engineer to certify the:
-change of engine number
-change of induction system from carbi to EFI
then go forth and do skids.

If the RTA are like the Qld Transport, they'll be as helpful and contradictory as an open forum at a Compulsive Liars Conference.

["Z" UTE]

Yep same BS in Canberra, if you go twin cam from single cam, EFI from carby. They run the same rules as NSW. RTA assumes there will be a 15% power gain by going twin cam and a similar gain going from carby to EFI.

The main point has already been made about being involved in an accident.(thanks CrUZida)
If you have not had the car engineered, after making modification which require an engineers certificate, you are effectively driving an unregistered motor vehicle. Any accident, and your insurance company will accept ZERO liability.

Damaged cars are expensive to repair. But if the RTA declares your vehicle as being unregistered because of lack of engineers certificate, and you seriously injure, or cause someones death, you will not be covered by the 3rd party insurer.This insurance pays out the million dollar claims, claims people make for medical expenses, loss of earnings, and other nonquantifiable things like pain and sufferring.

You would think very long and hard about driving an unregistered car.
The same thought should be applied, when driving a modified car which has not been granted engineering approval.

Spend the few hundred dollars to get your modified ride engineered. Then rest easy, in the knowledge that some poor injured bastard is covered by your insurance, and will never have the chance to bankrupt you.

cheers Chuck.

ps. Mammut, this is not specifically directed at you, but at all modified vehicle owners.

[Blade20034]

well i talked to the guys about a engine swap in my car from a 22rc to a 22re they said no problems as long its not more than 15% increase of power and it bolt straight up with out any mods