1UZ-FE into TA22

[Grega]

nah. plate says what it is cruz
so can't fake the GT idea.
nice idea tho

always the alloy rover v8. they can be stroked to 5 litres too...

[camshere]

The older Toyota V8's are probably smaller and lighter than the 1UZ, they're all alloy too, but pushrod.

I always thought they were cast iron, i stand corrected. Still not keen on pushrods however, although it would run in the same circles as the 2T then

do you really think you need a supercharger?

it would be un-driveable enough as it is .

Haha, some say you can never have too much power. Nah, once completed i think the car will probably closer to the 1100kg mark, so around 300-350 rwhp would be nice. I could probably achieve that with NA mods but you can't go past the whine of a supercharger, or the whistle of turbos, plus the drivability would probably be better on the forced induction options.

Oh, and also remember that the weights the DPI has listed may not be the same as what Toyota claimed them to be.

I'll definately get onto DPI and talk to Jack. Maybe the individually constructed car option is something to look at - i'd really like it to be completely street legal when i'm done, considering the amount of money i will have to pour into it.

[river]

Hi,

the extra weight would most likely have come from the power windows and all the other little add-on goodies. i doubt the chassis would be structurally different between the GT and LT's.

im sure you could argue that point

The power windows and other GT internal goodies actually don't add that much weight to the vehicle. The air con will add a bit, but most of the extra weight is the engine, gearbox and diff. Though I think the TA22 GT used the same T50 gearbox as the lower specs. In the RA series the GT used the P51 gearbox which is heavier and the 7.5inch LSD which was heavier than the standard T series diff.

seeyuzz
river

[Grega]

we need a TA22 GT guru here. where is simon?

[fuzz!]

hehe.. someone referencing my photo (1uz in my ra23).. i like it.

buggar the 22... get a 23!! more room in the engine bay for starters.. sure simon shows its possible to drop one in a 22, but jesus look at the amount of mods he's done. (aside form the engine bay, check the IRS in his photos)

23 > 22.. maths don't lie.

[CrUZida]

Have you seen the '22 he's planning on putting it in?

["Z" UTE]

I recently posed the question of putting a 1UZ-FE into a TA22, to our most widely used engineer here in Canberra. After much discussion, he simply said, bring me a weigh bridge ticket for the unmodified TA22. If it is 1000kg or over, he would engineer the car with the 1UZ-FE installed . And yes, that was within the guidelines of the NCOP, as he had interpreted them.

Half a tank of fuel, and a bag of rapid set concrete in the boot, which I had forgotten about, and the weigbridge ticket came out at 1020kg, with no occupants.

The local rego authorities here have the TA22's as weighing in at anywhere between 939kg, for a '75 manual, 980kg for a '72 auto, and 1050kg, for a '73 manual. (just pulled rego papers, for 3 of our Celica's.) Go figure!

Manufacturers weights, are DRY, calculated on the aggregate of the parts.

cheers Chuck.

[GeneSPIDA]

Sounds like there could be another great TA22 in the West

Sounds like a bit of work (and money) ahead though. And not sure if you're putting a V8 in that a supercharger/turbo is entirely necessary. Personally, I'd go V8 OR turbo/super 4/6.

Gene

[fuzz!]

I recently posed the question of putting a 1UZ-FE into a TA22, to our most widely used engineer here in Canberra. After much discussion, he simply said, bring me a weigh bridge ticket for the unmodified TA22. If it is 1000kg or over, he would engineer the car with the 1UZ-FE installed . And yes, that was within the guidelines of the NCOP, as he had interpreted them.

FYI.. dropping a 1UZ into an RA23 in QLD is from what I know, perfectly legal.

without doing any brake modifications you are limited to 3.0 litres NA or 2.5 forced induction. but with the correct brake mods (hilux/pug/corona/supra upgrade applicable) you would be able to go up to 5.2 litres NA (not sure about forced induction - but i suspect a turbo/supercharged 1UZ would be possible)

[brett_celicacoupe]

FYI.. dropping a 1UZ into an RA23 in QLD is from what I know, perfectly legal.

without doing any brake modifications you are limited to 3.0 litres NA or 2.5 forced induction. but with the correct brake mods (hilux/pug/corona/supra upgrade applicable) you would be able to go up to 5.2 litres NA (not sure about forced induction - but i suspect a turbo/supercharged 1UZ would be possible)

that doesnt sound right.

im sure its 2.5 x weight for forced induction or 3.0 x weight for NA

because i remember talking to the engineer and then thinking i could legally put a 1jzgte or 2jzge in my car(not that i would).


the size of the brakes dont determine how big of an engine you can fit to the car either. the only reason brake upgrades are necessary is some engine conversions increase the weight of the car. increasing the weight means more energy needs to be dissipated through the brakes to stop. you get the idea

[fuzz!]

that doesnt sound right.

im sure its 2.5 x weight for forced induction or 3.0 x weight for NA

because i remember talking to the engineer and then thinking i could legally put a 1jzgte or 2jzge in my car(not that i would).


the size of the brakes dont determine how big of an engine you can fit to the car either. the only reason brake upgrades are necessary is some engine conversions increase the weight of the car. increasing the weight means more energy needs to be dissipated through the brakes to stop. you get the idea

i can relate, i talked to an engineer in brisbane and he told me it was completely illegal. but i had a word with pete (qca on lextreme) and he does a lot of work with 1uz conversions. he has an engineer whom he works closely with and he quoted regulations regarding engine conversions and capacity limitations. according to the literature he had, a brake upgrade can make all the difference. now don't take my word as gospel - i didn't write the laws, but apparently there are legal 'loopholes' whereby a brake upgrade can make all the difference between a 3 liter and 5 liter limitation.

it's not like i've actually got a legalised 4 liter conversion in an RA23, but he assured me it was perfectly possible.

[Grega]

um, worth a looksee....

http://www.dotars.gov.au/transport/s.../vsb_ncop.aspx
specifically
http://www.dotars.gov.au/transport/s...s_3Feb2006.pdf

now where this gets interesting (for me, moreover) is that i don't think stupid victoria have taken this on. they are still doing their own thing.........but its only a matter of time.

[jeffro ra28]

All very well. But i do not see how upgrading the brakes allows for the guidelines to be twisted to allow a bigger engine. Can anyone highlight this?

Im not sure about the individually constructed vehicle rule but there is a 15% rule. Im not not at all sure of what it means.

Im stuck in NSW, i have an ra28, and i have a 1uz. Im planning this conversion but if worst comes to worst, i may have to get it rego'd in another state. Can anyone see any major difficulties doing so? Or should i be thinking more along the lines of, if i can find the right engineer we can make it happen? I just dont know how much pulling power the engineers have when it comes to the current guidelines, as it looks like NSW will not come to the party with the new National Code as they have always been getting tighter with laws, not looser then the current.

Just a little of topic here. Supposedly the New National Code will be signed and in place around late this year or early next year for NSW. Is this word of the grape vine or can anyone confirm this?

[CrUZida]

All very well. But i do not see how upgrading the brakes allows for the guidelines to be twisted to allow a bigger engine. Can anyone highlight this?

To the best of my knowledge there is very little that is set in concrete.
Most things are open to interpretation and at the end of the day almost anything can be legal if you can get an engineer to sign off on it.

Just a little of topic here. Supposedly the New National Code will be signed and in place around late this year or early next year for NSW. Is this word of the grape vine or can anyone confirm this?

Rod - El Vice Presidente` is researching this at the moment.

[camshere]

23 > 22.. maths don't lie.

Haha - each to his own i guess, I used to have a TA23, which i prepped for restoration (stripped and bead blasted) but i got side-tracked building my '22. Then a mate rolled his RA23 which had a 3T-GTE in it, and i donated my shell to him so he could re-build his car. Its just come on the road no so if anyone sees a blue TA23 around Perth with 16" Hyperfang mags and plates that say "Thiswayup", thats my old shell dammit! It looks good, and the plates crack me up every time i see it.

I like the dash layout/switchgear layout and nose more on the TA22, but i know that is a personal thing.

All very well. But i do not see how upgrading the brakes allows for the guidelines to be twisted to allow a bigger engine. Can anyone highlight this?

The NCOP document states that over 20% increase in engine weight or power puts it in a LA2 class and that a brake upgrade may be required, but it also mentions that drivline upgrades and front suspension may also need to be changed. It mentions nothing of a bigger brakes = more capacity. I think its one of those, provided its safe and isn't too over the top, go for it legislations. I'm sure the majority of that decision will be handled by the engineer used.