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    Default Synchronic BOV's, Wastegates, FPR's

    I've just been reading about Synchronic BOV's, Wastegates and Fuel Pressure Regulators.

    Here is a link about the Synchroniv BOV/BPV

    http://synapseengineering.com/smf/in...na7&topic=30.0

    Also some Video Demonstrations on Synapse Engineering Youtube Channel :

    http://www.youtube.com/user/synaptic1

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    Quote Originally Posted by synapseengineering
    Turbo is spinning many thousands of RPMs at engine WOT (wide open throttle) -> throttle shuts -> pressure builds up between closed throttle and still spinning compressor wheel -> pressure has to go somewhere so it stops the spinning compressor momentarily to pass air over and over again -> So you hear tsssch tsssch tsssch tsssch -> each successive tsssch is air passing the compressor wheel out the inlet of the turbo in the other direction from where it is supposed to go -> Turbo slows down and stress is put on the common shaft because you have to remember that the exhaust is still torquing the turbine wheel to spin the compressor.
    Well, I ain't no expert, but last time I was off the throttle in either of my turbo'd cars, I'm pretty sure that there wasn't any exhaust gas "still torquing the turbine wheel to spin the compressor".................
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    ok.... so in your turbo car, when you throttle off, your motor stops??? ie produces no exhaust at all... because the exhaust has to flow past the turbine wheel (unless the wastegate is open - which it wont be off throttle) to get out of your motor.

    Not argueing for or against blow off valves.... simply responding to that response....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toy77 View Post
    ok.... so in your turbo car, when you throttle off, your motor stops??? ie produces no exhaust at all... because the exhaust has to flow past the turbine wheel (unless the wastegate is open - which it wont be off throttle) to get out of your motor.

    Not argueing for or against blow off valves.... simply responding to that response....

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    How much exhaust gas do you think the engine is pumping out when the throttle is closed?
    Closed throttle = very little air into engine = very little fuel into engine(probably zero from the over run fuel cut off that most engines have) = SFA exhaust gas. Not zero, but certainly not enough to be spinning a turbine wheel with any great force.

    If an engine with a closed throttle was still moving enough air to turn the turbine wheel with enough force that the turbo could generate boost pressure, then there would be no such thing as turbo lag and the turbo would be acting like a positive displacement supercharger.
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    Default Re: Synchronic BOV's, Wastegates, FPR's

    that wheel still spins pretty quick at idle, you wouldnt want to put your di@k in it......

    i wasnt argueing for or against a blow of valve - you said there was no gas......

    the idea isnt that it is still making boost, but rather has a force (though small) as well as momentum that keeps the wheel spinnin off throttle - the air trying to escape from the system has to go back the opposite direction past this wheel.
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    yes it's the momentum which gets it. the bov stops this build up of pressure which the still spinning turdbro creates.
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    From what i can understand from that link, the synchronic valve doesnt close completely on idle. I had this problem on a normal piston bov (spring was too soft) and as such more air was leaked into the system, more fuel was added to compensate and as such would lead to farting around idle as it was trying to compensate and sometimes would stall the engine on the way back down from high rpm to idle. Wouldnt this still have the same problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trdee View Post
    yes it's the momentum which gets it. the bov stops this build up of pressure which the still spinning turdbro creates.
    There's no build up of pressure from the still spinning turbo...how can it make more boost from less energy being put into the system (bugger all exhaust energy driving the turbine)? Defies physics eh

    You'll get a mass of moving air hitting a closed throttle plate, you'll get a pressure wave reflection off the closed throttle plate, you'll have a pressure differential across the compressor wheel and little energy driving the wheel and you'll be way below the surge line on the compressor map. Just for info, when air speed stalls across a turbine the turbine will speed up, not slow down as many state.

    So, all these things lead to the various choof, wizz, tssch noises you hear when getting off the throttle.

    There's little to no stress to the turbo, unless you are running massif boost and a big turbo. Recirc BOVs are there OEM for noise reduction only. I've yet to see a single independent test showing a BOV does anything else but make silly noises, including data logging done by myself.

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    a blow off is a blow off.... that blow off has an extra port to put extra load on the diaphragm inside it..

    blow off valves are used to let pressure build up escape thru a safe exit rather than going thru the pipes and trying to escape out the air filter via going thru the turbocharger the opposite way...

    cant really even see how this is a thread?

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