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    Default modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    Due to the proliferation of manifolds for sikbro engines like the sr20, and the relative lack of aftermarket support for the gen 3/4 3sgte, is it plausible to modify an sr20 (or other commonly supported engine) manifold to fit a 3sgte (or other less common engine)?

    I was thinking that if you used a manifold from a similar capacity 4cyl then the port spacings would likely be fairly close and you could just cut off the head flange and fit one for the appropriate engine.
    • if anyone has thoughts/comments on the above they would be appreciated
    • alternatively aftermarket manifolds for 3sgte?

    i will pay good money for a quality manifold that bolts straight up, or if I can get something really cheap I can deal with ebay stuff too. I like the idea of a cast manifold and saw one on ebay for an earlier 3sgte, that would suit me but obviously doesn't fit the later gen motors.
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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    Actually there's one on ebay at the minute which is OBX brand... I've only ever heard of the name on ebay so I assume they're made by Charlie Chan but it's nice to buy something that arrives at my doorstep and bolts straight on.
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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    I found SR20 exhaust shared same port spacing as 3TC so used a 12mm piece of plate steel, drill, die grinder, and thread tap to make an adapter to fit it up!

    If there is one of the commonly supported engines with same port spacing for the manifold - intake or exhaust - as your 3S then it can be fitted with a little enthusiasm... Temper that with a careful check of any potential fouling on existing equipment in the engine bay...

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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    ok so i'm not the only one with this bright idea.... wondering if anyone has tried it with a 3sgte?

    sorta interested in that OBX manifold on ebay as it's perfect but i don't know anything about the brand and it's fricken dear for an ebay manifold
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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    which manifold are you referring to? intake or exhaust?

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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    if your willing to pay good money can i suggest a 6boost one, he will make it to however you need it (can be custom jobs like mine was)

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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    yep, Kyle (6boost) is an awsome fabricator..

    alternativley.. Craig at Extreme Custom Engineering can do a similar job.. and he's local (brisbane) warranty against cracking etc etc.. can have it HPC'd.. Extreme Custom Engineering can also do pretty much anything else you can think of.. ally/stainless piping, dump pipe, exhaust.

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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    road runner on here may be interested also, he's manis are also the goods.

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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    one of our mates 3sgte's

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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    To clarify, I was meaning a turbo manifold. As most of you would know there is little or no need to change intake plenums on most modern Toyota engines unless you are chasing comically large power figures.

    I've seen Craig's work, it's very good. Only problem is that last time I spoke to him about something he mustn't have been interested in the job because he treated me like an idiot and overquoted by about 400%... so I'm not overly excited about going back. I'll have a think about it.

    Ideally I'd like an off-the-shelf manifold, or one that someone can make me up with a jig, so that I don't have to transport my car (as it's in a million pieces, and also a two-way tow is a waste of $160).

    As for 6boost manifolds, I don't mind paying good money but by all reports his manifolds are around, or over, a grand. I can't see the best 4cyl manifold in the world as being worth a cent more than $750... anything more than that is spending money for the sake of spending money. When you can get a probably dodgy, but at least workable, manfiold from ebay for various engines for $100... then you'll understand what I mean.
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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    yeah mine was getting towards a grand, which is a lot less then you can pay (ie hks manifolds for gtfours are like 2k aus.

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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    yeah mine was getting towards a grand, which is a lot less then you can pay (ie hks manifolds for gtfours are like 2k aus
    To me, $2k is a joke and targeted at people with either no idea (eg. Americans!) or those with near unlimited bank accounts (drugs, those born rich, etc). If you pay $2k for a manifold you'll buy a $6k HKS turbo, $1800 worth of cams, a $10k stroker kit, etc... and could easily pay $100k just for your engine bay. It's like those people who pay a mechanic $150 for a 'service' that is 20 minutes labour, an $8 oil filter and $20 of oil.... simply because they don't know what their options are, or money simlpy doesn't matter to them.

    I figure if I can buy something that is 90-95% as good but for 25% of the price (eg. $500 vs $2000) then you've made the right decision.

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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    fair enough... let us know how you go with it

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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    As most of you would know there is little or no need to change intake plenums on most modern Toyota engines unless you are chasing comically large power figures.
    I take it from this comment that you're sticking with East-West (AWD/FWD) format, as obviously they're usless for RWD setups.

    So, I take it you've seen the eBay turbo manis for the Gen III 3S-TGEs? Ask them for ST205 (which will fit ST215) - "Application: TOYOTA CELICA ST185, ST205"

    They are prone to cracking, but getting someone to go over them with a TIG welder would certainly improve them. Design wise, they're fine, and are a shiteload better than the stock cast toyota mani.
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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty

    I figure if I can buy something that is 90-95% as good but for 25% of the price (eg. $500 vs $2000) then you've made the right decision.

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    I like the cut of your jib. Make sure you don't get the thin walled stainless manifolds though

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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    Quote Originally Posted by stidnam View Post
    I like the cut of your jib. Make sure you don't get the thin walled stainless manifolds though
    I'm Irish, not Jewish, and assure you my 'jib' is not cut
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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    Quote Originally Posted by twentyEight View Post
    I take it from this comment that you're sticking with East-West (AWD/FWD) format, as obviously they're usless for RWD setups.

    So, I take it you've seen the eBay turbo manis for the Gen III 3S-TGEs? Ask them for ST205 (which will fit ST215) - "Application: TOYOTA CELICA ST185, ST205"

    They are prone to cracking, but getting someone to go over them with a TIG welder would certainly improve them. Design wise, they're fine, and are a shiteload better than the stock cast toyota mani.
    Yeah the engine is remaining east-west, and being an ST215 engine the intake is a proper end-feed rather than the centre-feed on the early models. In my opinion it wouldn't hurt to increase the volume a little but I'm sure it will be plenty big enough for real world power figures.

    I've seen those ones and am not convinced they'll suit an ST205, like most ebay crap they probably don't even know what a 3SGTE is! There are however other ones on ebay that look ok:

    Item #170403813383

    They are apparently 1.6mm thick 1.75" stainless runners and " flange plates. Is 1.6mm considered 'thin' stainless or is that likely to be ok?
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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    Have you asked JZK25 for a price on one of his manis?
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    Default Re: modiftying manifold for difference engine (eg. sr20 manif on 3sgte)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    There are however other ones on ebay that look ok:

    Item #170403813383

    They are apparently 1.6mm thick 1.75" stainless runners and " flange plates. Is 1.6mm considered 'thin' stainless or is that likely to be ok?
    This is exactly the same as one that I bought for mine to cut up for the flange plate and first 2 inches of runners... (It didn't have the OBX tag though, if it had I would have told you about them as I wasn't sure that it was an eBay common one...)

    The runners are very thin, and the merge collector is average, but it's your best option I'd say.

    And they bolt perfectly to the Gen III head (so your's also).
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