7m-ge/6m-ge into ma61

[regin]

ive been wondering about the cost and effort that would be involed in swaping out the 5m-e and auto box and putting in either a 6/7m-ge and converting it to manual.
I know the motor is almost straight bolt in with the exception of the sump which can be swapped.
But im not so sure on how difficult the electrical side of things would be i dont realy want to consider any other choices of motor since im only going for somthing that will be cheap and easy + get better fuel economy than my current 14L/100km

thanks in advance

[whatthe?]

N/A should be somewhat simpler than a GTE swap, the manual swap isnt too difficult if you can raid a wreck of a manual MA61 for bits ie; Master and slave cylinders, line between the two, brake pedal, clutch pedal and box.
The sump isnt a straight swapover with the 5M unit, the oil pickup will need to be modified to fit in the new front sump setup. If you arent comfortable with the doing the wiring yourself, contact sideshow and as long as you have the full engine loom and ECU from your new engine he should be able to get it all wired in and running fairly quickly and at a good price.

The MA61 build thread in my sig shows details of my build up to give you some ideas, although mine is a 7MGTE. Some things will still be the same, but I'd imagine an N/A engine swap should be much simpler

[regin]

N/A should be somewhat simpler than a GTE swap, the manual swap isnt too difficult if you can raid a wreck of a manual MA61 for bits ie; Master and slave cylinders, line between the two, brake pedal, clutch pedal and box.
The sump isnt a straight swapover with the 5M unit, the oil pickup will need to be modified to fit in the new front sump setup. If you arent comfortable with the doing the wiring yourself, contact sideshow and as long as you have the full engine loom and ECU from your new engine he should be able to get it all wired in and running fairly quickly and at a good price.

The MA61 build thread in my sig shows details of my build up to give you some ideas, although mine is a 7MGTE. Some things will still be the same, but I'd imagine an N/A engine swap should be much simpler

thanks i think i remember hearing u could use the 5me oil pickup but its kinda dodgy for some reason

[BlackSupra]

DO a 7mge over a 6mge as you wont find a 6mge ecu and they run hell rich on either the 5mge or a dodgy wired 5me ecu.

At least the 7m retains the factory wiring for it.

Or consider the 2jzge swap which i might add, is leaps and bounds infront of the 6mge. (of which i've owned both in an MA61).

[regin]

DO a 7mge over a 6mge as you wont find a 6mge ecu and they run hell rich on either the 5mge or a dodgy wired 5me ecu.

At least the 7m retains the factory wiring for it.

Or consider the 2jzge swap which i might add, is leaps and bounds infront of the 6mge. (of which i've owned both in an MA61).

i did read up on the 2jzge but seems to be a fair bit more expensive to do than just a 7m and i would probably need bigger brakes also i would think

[whatthe?]

I think dong is pointing out that power and reliability will be greater from a stock 2j than from a stock 7M. The 7M swap is far easier and cheaper however. something to think about I guess

[BlackSupra]

7m is cheaper to do yes, but you get the benefit of not buying a possibly stuffed motor (that is almost 10 years older).

The MA61 is underbraked when you put any new engine in it and as such, i would suggest that you upgrade the brakes with either option.

[whatthe?]

The MA61 is underbraked when you put any new engine in it and as such, i would suggest that you upgrade the brakes with either option.

Lol, I actually found that the MA61 was underbraked with an unhealthy 5M in it! Brake upgrade is soooo worth it IMO

[regin]

I think dong is pointing out that power and reliability will be greater from a stock 2j than from a stock 7M. The 7M swap is far easier and cheaper however. something to think about I guess

fair enough just i dont think with my budget i could afford the 2jz im hopeing to spend ~$2.5k including suspension work

[whatthe?]

What sort of suspension work? Does that include buying an engine as well?

Thats a pretty tight budget....

[regin]

what would the cheapest option be for some acceptable brakes something a little cheaper than the skyline/300zx ones

[regin]

What sort of suspension work? Does that include buying an engine as well?

Thats a pretty tight budget....

just shocks and springs mine are kinda worn

[whatthe?]

better brake pads would be the cheapest upgrade, some greenstuff pads *might* make the braking system passable as long as you dont want to slow down from high speed in any real hurry. The 300zx option is the cheapest swap that I'm aware of, should be able to do it for under $700 if you shop around for calipers and do most of the work yourself. Believe me, better $700 on brakes than smashing something that owes you $6K+ for want of them

[BlackSupra]

You are going to need, shocks, springs and bushes to make it handle at all.

This will set you back at least $1500.

And for the 300zx brake upgrade you will be looking at almost $1000.

Doesn't leave much room for an engine conversion. And from someone that has been there and done that, do the brakes and suspension first.

[whatthe?]

should be able to get king springs and some cheapy shocks (I got monroes, cheap as chips) for 600 or so, bushes are worth looking at too if it all feels "sloppy"

Edit - once again, fitting yourself save $$ but I wouldnt want to (and didnt infact) fit the bushes myself!

[regin]

You are going to need, shocks, springs and bushes to make it handle at all.

This will set you back at least $1500.

And for the 300zx brake upgrade you will be looking at almost $1000.

Doesn't leave much room for an engine conversion. And from someone that has been there and done that, do the brakes and suspension first.

kinda want to just get it running ok first 5me and autobox arent going to well and i can always do other stuff later atm i just want
7m-ge
w58
rda slotted rotors
shocks
springs
decent pads

[regin]

should be able to get king springs and some cheapy shocks (I got monroes, cheap as chips) for 600 or so, bushes are worth looking at too if it all feels "sloppy"

Edit - once again, fitting yourself save $$ but I wouldnt want to (and didnt infact) fit the bushes myself!

a friend told me to do a similar thing said id have it all done for about that price

[whatthe?]

Ok, well lets look at costs (at the bare minimum)

7MGE + loom and ECU $800 should get a reasonable one (though you can never be sure with 2nd hand engines)
W58 at least $400, W57 will be chaeper and easier to find but 5th gear will suck ass on the hwy, especially if you keep the 4.1 ratio your ex-auto car will most certainly have
Slotted rotors, roughly $130 each
Shocks and springs $600 bare minimum cost
Decent pads - greenstuff decent? about $180 a pair

So, without factoring in any of the fiddly things that WILL go wrong and labour for things you cant do yourself, youre looking at about $2300

I would also factor in another grand (at least) for stuff you didnt think of and then more money for engineering and engineers certificate.

Honestly, I think youre probably going to end up spending at least twice what youre budgetting, but thats just my opinion, you may surprise me

[regin]

Ok, well lets look at costs (at the bare minimum)

7MGE + loom and ECU $800 should get a reasonable one (though you can never be sure with 2nd hand engines)
W58 at least $400, W57 will be chaeper and easier to find but 5th gear will suck ass on the hwy, especially if you keep the 4.1 ratio your ex-auto car will most certainly have
Slotted rotors, roughly $130 each
Shocks and springs $600 bare minimum cost
Decent pads - greenstuff decent? about $180 a pair

So, without factoring in any of the fiddly things that WILL go wrong and labour for things you cant do yourself, youre looking at about $2300

I would also factor in another grand (at least) for stuff you didnt think of and then more money for engineering and engineers certificate.

Honestly, I think youre probably going to end up spending at least twice what youre budgetting, but thats just my opinion, you may surprise me

your probably right about the money but if i had said 4k budget then id be up for 8k

[whatthe?]

your probably right about the money but if i had said 4k budget then id be up for 8k

Lol, well I said I was going to finish mine for under 10K, it's now at about $18K (just spent another 1500 today infact) and still nowhere near finished *sigh*