E-series transmission interchangeability

[TheRisingSunset]

As far as I know they're EA series, not the other way round..

I might be wrong, sorry.

But, yes, they aren't E-series.

[PrettyCoolWagon]

Hi TRS,
Apparently the A-series denotes 'automatic transmissions'
This wikipedia list shows an A-series for one Rav4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_A_transmission

A540H

Applications:
1989-1991 Camry (4-cyl AWD)
1996-1999 RAV 4 (4x4)

Gear ratios: 1st - 2.810:1 2nd - 1.549:1 3rd - 1.000:1 4th - 0.734:1 Rev - 2.296:1

(This particular version has a weak reverse - prone to noise and failure - failure included problems with 1st brake)
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As far as i know.. (correct me if I'm wrong)
All the E-series boxes belong to toyota's with manual transmissions... FWD's, the all-trac system. (and maybe some early mid-engined MR2's)
Roughly speaking off the top of my head, that's MR2's, celica St -series, Rav4's, some camry's and AE95 wagons and sedans.

I was basing my thoughts for a 6 spead AE95 4WD wagon on this thread here:

http://www.mr2.com/forums/mk-2-mr2-s...smissions.html

There a listing there for a Rav4 EA6xF

[engineering_mat]

Everyone seems to say that e51s are common,
iv just rung 4 wreckers in melb and noone has anything.
can anyone help?

[worldwalker]

The E51's are rare as hens teeth. Then, even if you find the box, you still need the unique shafts they have.

E58 could be an alternative, they're easier to find as they ran longer.

[Bazda]

E58s had the smaller gears.
Try find an E52 then from the AE92 GTZ.

[PrettyCoolWagon]

Rising sun, I've rung a few toyota wreckers in Melbourne and they all had at least 2 E153's (mcv20 camry) in stock ranging from $500inc to $600inc GST. You'd obviously need to add shipping but these also came with some limited warranty on its operation. Change the linkage around and say its from an SW20 and they want $1100inc GST +...

World walker,
Which wreckers in melbourne did you contact for E153 camry gearboxes?

[worldwalker]

Too long ago now, sorry. I seem to remember calling one in Thomastown and also Toyo spares in Bayswater. I have found the odd one at the self wrecks around town too, Jolly's in Dande, imlach's centre road self wreck and Jolly's Ringwood. Jolly's are good for getting the cars online ASAP but you need to be fast, the E153 is known amongst the other wreckers and they will gut them within 48 hours. Plenty around just need to find them, good luck!

[terryo]

the manual V6 camry was always rare beast. the diff ratio in them is very tall and does not really suit anything other than a V6. the intermediate ratios are slightly different to MR2 , but you hardly notice that. swapping the linkage is not hard if you have machine shop facilities. we made a special tool to do them at my work.
terry
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[worldwalker]

Oh another option is to find a wrecked Camry, a lot of people don't know what they're worth and after doing 200,000km without a service, surprise, surprise, they seize. See the odd one on gumtree from $500.

[PrettyCoolWagon]

the manual V6 camry was always rare beast. the diff ratio in them is very tall and does not really suit anything other than a V6. the intermediate ratios are slightly different to MR2 , but you hardly notice that. swapping the linkage is not hard if you have machine shop facilities. we made a special tool to do them at my work.
terry
https://www.facebook.com/Roadandtrack1

I've noticed no one's mentioned interchanging final drive gears in the E-series boxes.. Is this because it's not a good idea to mix and match the final drive gears, even if they appear to mesh OK??
I'm guessing it could likely stuff up the contact pressure along the width of the gear teeth as they turn if not checked precisely..

Aside from earlier comments, I'm currently building a 2nd corolla 4wd wagon and this one's for street use only.
My intention is to buy an E153 manual box from the V6 1MZFE engined camry, because of the taller gears and use it behined a 4AGTE (turbo) in the 4wd corolla wagon.
The 4wd corolla wagon's really under powered but the 4wd drive train is quite heavy and so it has very low ratio'd 1st and second gears to get it moving which would be too short behind a turbo'd 4AGTE.

The one thing I'm not sure about is the final drive in the camry box and whether or not it will suit the corolla 4wd wagon.

[nick.parker]

Great info and links in this thread. Good that us AW11'ers can borrow the camry V6 internals for our E51 boxes. I have been using the E58 up until now but with more power very near I've decided to put my old E51 back in.

I have heard someone say you can simply swap the E153 from the 95+ MR2 with better synchros onto the E51 bell housing...but haven't seen proof - can anyone vouch for this? On another matter I've recently acquired an ST205 (E154F - 08B) transmission. So I guess I'll know soon enough if I can use the internals of this (with updated synchros etc) in my MR2's E51 case. Only ratio difference compared to my AW11's e51 is that 1st gear is a little shorter from the ST205 - I guess to overcome it its bulk and extra 4WD drive train friction.

GEAR.....1.......2........3.........4.......5..... ..DIFF
AW11---E51 3.230 1.913 1.258 0.918 0.731 4.285
ST205-E154F 3.384 1.913 1.258 0.918 0.731 4.285

[PrettyCoolWagon]

Do any of the E-series boxes share the same synchro, or can a later synchro be used as an upgrade.

Few of the guys on alltracwagon.net in America are finding it hard to get rebuild kits for their E57F5 boxes.

[terryo]

there is no such thing as a 'rebuild kit". every part is separate

you cant swap and change syncros between the models. each version has its own syncro/hub/gear combo. whilst i can generally work out what is needed as ive fixed so many, the only way to be 100% sure is have the VIN of the car the box came out of

parts stocked by my business. PM me if you want parts

[Q-Authority]

Do any of the E-series boxes share the same synchro, or can a later synchro be used as an upgrade.

Few of the guys on alltracwagon.net in America are finding it hard to get rebuild kits for their E57F5 boxes.

As stated there are no rebuild-kits so-to-speak, but synchro and synchro/bearing sets are sold, as those are the usual parts that need replacing. The E-51 did get uprated synchros a few years after production ended, however, as the original ones turned out to be a bit under-designed for the heavy gears, etc. that were used in that tranny. 2nd and 3rd gear in particular were problematic over time.

[PrettyCoolWagon]

Nice E-series video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5yKPGRfUFQ