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    Coolio! Just to be pushy:

    I read you used a mixture of bushes in the car, care to list model and part number specifics please? One of my main thoughts is to reduce/eliminate the oldworld feel of the steering and suspension setup, I too am trying to avoid the land boat feel, most older style cars have, ..., oh yeah, and I want it low!

    As I haven't pulled either a 5x or 6x steering column apart - yet, are they both collapsable, and therefore is it simply a matter of sliding the later foot onto the earlier column, or more invovled?

    I assume your front rotors required some love to suit the 5x114.3 PCD, or are they easily available blank (must admit, haven't even bothered looking into this yet - I've got a set of MS123 front suspension, I was going to look at retrofitting for simplicity, vented front brakes and possibly, easier servicing - I assume I wont have the wheel clearance issues you had, if I choose this path - rear brakes will be standard rebuilt MS112 items for my car).

    Any info on "factory" stub axles that may lower the ride height? A pseudo drop spindle if you will - would be nice to find a 2" lower item, but then again, so a would a money and time tree!

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    Hook me up for one of the those money and time tress, they sound exactly like what I am after, better make it a couple of them actually

    I put the part numbers for the rotors I used into the post above when I edited it. I actually bought blank rotors off the shelf and had them redrilled ot suit the 4 x 114.3. From memory where the inner seal goes was machined to take the MS65 inner seal and a few mm was taken off the hieght. Hopefully shep will clarify it all for me as its been a while and his site appears to be down. (I knew I should have written it all down)

    Yeah mate basically it is just fitting the later foot into the early column as the power steering box sits higher so has a shorter foot. when you look at em both together its clear as day what the difference is.

    No idea on any sort of drop spindle option I tried allot of stub axles before I settled onthe MS123 items. From memory the only differences betweenthe MS65 series 1 & 2 was the ball joint size (the small size is unobtainium so use series 2 ones) The MS112 items were tried as were the MS123. I chose the ones that brought the ball joint in the furthest so I could fit the wider rims and tyres. From memory the MS112 items cleared the callipers awesomely, but the tyres hit the ball joint. It was kinda 4am at the time and it was the sat before Dyno day so its all a bit Vauge. Stitt or Josh may remember it clearer.
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    HAHA all I remember from the whole steering arm/hub situation was that it was an absolute debarcle highlighted by parts that plainly weren't what they were sold as. From memory it was the MS65 hubs and MS123 steering arms suitably clearanced to allow the alloy HZ calipers to fit.

    From memory for the other questions the bottom radiator hose is off an MX83.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshstix
    HAHA all I remember from the whole steering arm/hub situation was that it was an absolute debarcle highlighted by parts that plainly weren't what they were sold as. From memory it was the MS65 hubs and MS123 steering arms suitably clearanced to allow the alloy HZ calipers to fit.

    From memory for the other questions the bottom radiator hose is off an MX83.
    I clearly remember the first parts we fitted were not what I paid for lol, and I am pretty sure i remember the sun coming up as Stitt and I stipped a front end in his back yard that was convieniently available after we discovered the wheels didn't fit on at around 5am

    Ahh the fun of engine conversions for a deadline. So when are we starting on the MK II Again ?
    1971 2T-B Celica TA22 ST.
    1973 2T-G Celica TA22, aka "The Unicorn".
    1975 2T-G Celica TA27 GT
    1976 2T-G Celica TA23, aka "The Colonel".
    1985 3F Auto FJ62 Landcruiser
    1989 7M-GTE MA70 Supra, aka "The Poopra"

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    Default Re: Engine Conversion. 2JZ-GE into MS53 Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by TheToyman75
    So when are we starting on the MK II Again ?
    You bitches better be putting a VVTi 1JZ into that!

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    Default Re: Engine Conversion. 2JZ-GE into MS53 Crown

    Clint,

    My conversion pics are all back online now and can be found here.

    If there is anything else you want to see in detail just let me know.


    Dave,

    Another less than a VVTI 1J would be a waste of an awesome Corona so I am sure sanity will prevail.
    1971 2T-B Celica TA22 ST.
    1973 2T-G Celica TA22, aka "The Unicorn".
    1975 2T-G Celica TA27 GT
    1976 2T-G Celica TA23, aka "The Colonel".
    1985 3F Auto FJ62 Landcruiser
    1989 7M-GTE MA70 Supra, aka "The Poopra"

    History: Rods Classic Celica Sampler thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheToyman75
    Clint,
    If there is anything else you want to see in detail just let me know.
    is this car specific? if not clint might have several requests
    Quote Originally Posted by WHITCHY
    Prefer someone around the Sydney area but will travel a few hours for a good box!

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    Default Re: Engine Conversion. 2JZ-GE into MS53 Crown

    Quote Originally Posted by The Real Roadrunner
    is this car specific? if not clint might have several requests
    Clint already knows I am open minded and like to share
    1971 2T-B Celica TA22 ST.
    1973 2T-G Celica TA22, aka "The Unicorn".
    1975 2T-G Celica TA27 GT
    1976 2T-G Celica TA23, aka "The Colonel".
    1985 3F Auto FJ62 Landcruiser
    1989 7M-GTE MA70 Supra, aka "The Poopra"

    History: Rods Classic Celica Sampler thread.

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    Default Re: Engine Conversion. 2JZ-GE into MS53 Crown

    Dog mentality, dudes - any attention is good attention!

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    Default Re: Engine Conversion. 2JZ-GE into MS53 Crown

    next question - do you have the part number for your ECU please Rod? No traction Control butterfly also I notice - lucky bugger!

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    Default Re: Engine Conversion. 2JZ-GE into MS53 Crown

    Clint,

    The ECU part number will take a bit of getting too. Its hard mountd above the glove box.

    However, how about the chassis number off the half cut I'll send you a PM
    1971 2T-B Celica TA22 ST.
    1973 2T-G Celica TA22, aka "The Unicorn".
    1975 2T-G Celica TA27 GT
    1976 2T-G Celica TA23, aka "The Colonel".
    1985 3F Auto FJ62 Landcruiser
    1989 7M-GTE MA70 Supra, aka "The Poopra"

    History: Rods Classic Celica Sampler thread.

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    That what you are after? I have the MT and AT ECUs. Will PM you Clint.
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    Default Re: Engine Conversion. 2JZ-GE into MS53 Crown

    this still around?

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    Default Re: Engine Conversion. 2JZ-GE into MS53 Crown

    Still around and going strong as the Family wagon, it hasn't missed a beat other than needing a new starter motor.

    Just realised how old this thread is.....

    All the photos taken during the conversion are Here It has the brake upgrade pics in it too.

    Once fitted the engine sat in the bay well:


    For a minor "update" it turns out I Was wrong, it does do skids



    And it made the 16 second Quarter I was aiming for



    But more importantly it still goes just as well as the day we fitted the engine.
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    1971 2T-B Celica TA22 ST.
    1973 2T-G Celica TA22, aka "The Unicorn".
    1975 2T-G Celica TA27 GT
    1976 2T-G Celica TA23, aka "The Colonel".
    1985 3F Auto FJ62 Landcruiser
    1989 7M-GTE MA70 Supra, aka "The Poopra"

    History: Rods Classic Celica Sampler thread.

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    Default Re: Engine Conversion. 2JZ-GE into MS53 Crown

    Yeah it looks like a factory fit, well done.

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