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    Default Brake upgrades for FWD/AWD 5x100

    Brake Upgrades for FWD/4WD with 5x100 stud pattern

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    These started out as my original front brakes, & cause Iím more of a twisty road person, than straight line speed, I didnít think theyíd be adequate.
    These are a single piston floating calliper.

    First upgrade was to a set of ST185 Jap spec front callipers.

    I didnít need to change discs, which Iíve been told is the same for all Celicas upto ST20x models, Camrys, etc

    The only mod needed was to grind away some of the brake backing plate to clear the calliper.

    The brake lines bolts straight up with old fittings & hub-to-calliper bolts are identical.
    Only problems is that you canít buy these brake pads from Toyota, as the Aussie ST185 GT4 had a single piston calliper.
    I took the old pads to a brake shop & they were able to match it.
    Eg Bendix makes pads that suit.

    After fitting these I found I had a brake balance problem (not helped that my rear struts were stuffed) caused by locking the rear drums. So I converted these to discs (there is another article on doing this)

    Next step was to really get serious.

    I managed to locate a set of ST205 discs & callipers off a half cut that wouldnít fit the donor car. (The discs are TRD, not Toyota items and came pre-slotted)

    As you can see they are much bigger than either of the other callipers Iíd used.

    The brake pads are also larger.

    There are a couple of traps Iíve discovered after getting these brakes which do not make them a straight bolt on.

    These are all caused by the calliper mounting position.

    The single & twin piston callipers are mounted on the wheel side of the hub, meaning the hub is simply drilled while the calliper is tapped.
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    Default Re: Brake upgrades for FWD/AWD 5x100

    The four piston calliper, due to its size is mounted on the other side of the hub. This means that the calliper is drilled while the ST205 hub is tapped.

    (The wheel nuts are temporary for mounting purposes)
    The calipers need to be modified to make the disc central. See later posts for further details

    All 3 callipers have the same spacing for the mounting holes.

    The extra wire with green clip is for the ABS

    The bolts for the ST205 are the same overall diameter as the others

    ST205 & ST185
    This means the hubs need to be drilled out & tapped to accept a bigger bolt that will go through the ST205 calliper. The calliper also needs to be drilled out to accept the larger bolts. Any machine shop should be able to do this accurately.

    ST205 M12 bolt & replacement M14 bolt (yet to be shortened)
    These are all high tensile parts

    The next big hurdle was when I tried to fit the disc & calliper onto the hub at the same time.
    While the disc went on, & the calliper offset is correct, the mounting holes for the calliper didnít line up by about 5mm.
    Because the ST205 Celica GT4 has a unique double wishbone suspension, it was created around these brakes. Therefore the mounting holes have been positioned further out.
    The fix for this is to get the disc machined down from 315mm diameter to 300mm diameter.
    I had been told that this was required, but the reason was so that the ST185 wheels cleared the callipers, but now we know the truth.

    ST205 disc after being machined down to 300mm

    The last hurdle is to get new front brake lines.
    Because the ST205 calliper is so large, the original flexible brake lines do not reach.
    The ST205 has a solid metal line running from the calliper to the upper wishbone, then a flexible line from there.

    Disc & Calliper fitted to car (yes theyíd been painted by now)

    I was able to overcome this problem by using brake lines off of the current ZZE122R Corolla. They were the same length from the car to the strut, but about 2cm longer from the strut to the calliper. To improve the length again, I bent the bracket that holds the brake line to the strut forward slightly.
    My car is a 96 model where the brake line bolts to the strut, earlier cars with clips may have to source other lines (or do custom ones)

    Caldina hose at the top vs Corolla hose

    Due to the width of the callipers, there is now a very tight fit between them & the wheel.

    Tight clearance of about 5mm

    Because of the offset clearance, most 17Ē rims will not clear these, although the ones pictured will. (If youíre game to drive with 18Ē rims, you may have better luck)

    Thanks for this go to Gary (GEE120) for letting me measure up his ST205, & Andrew (RAV-GT4) for not wanting to use the brakes on his conversion & selling them to me. :lol:

    BTW before you have any machining done on the disc, make sure they have thickness left in them. In had mine "faced" before I reduced the diameter. They are now on min thickness, so I would've much rather spent the money on getting new discs first.
    Last edited by wagonist; 07-09-2005 at 12:25 AM.

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    Default Re: Brake upgrades for FWD/AWD 5x100

    Update on the brake situation:

    The 2nd hand disc I bought got warped (8 thou)

    I bought some new DBA slotted discs to suit the ST205
    These were then machined down as were done to the previous ones.
    (Forgot to get a pic though )

    After fitting them to my car, I found that the outer edges were hitting on the inside outer edge of the caliper

    This meant that I had to get some material machined off the caliper where it fits upto the steering knuckle.
    This meant that the caliper now sits slightly further out.

    Not much material was required to be removed. 50thou or 1.5mm.
    Apparently it took heaps longer to secure the caliper to be milled rather than the milling itself.

    The discs now sits very close to centre on the caliper

    And there isn't much clearance, but this is how its meant to be:

    After fitting the discs, I found I had clearance problems with the lower ball joints.


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