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    Default twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    Hey Guys,
    well im pulling my diff out and was thinking about doing some other work whilst i was at it.
    at the moment the clutch i have in the supra is very hard on both the driver and the car.
    was wondering what people thought about which is better and why...

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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    carbon has a lower friction co-efficient than a lot of things, so it would require higher clamping pressures, but also probably has smoother engagement than a sintered bronze (brass button) type clutch, and as it has 6 buttons offers more engagement 'slip' than a 4-puck or simular..

    I drove one for a fair while, had no real issues, but i also didn't have to drive in bumper-bumper traffic.

    A twin plate will be 'nicer' to drive, and offer the same sort of torque capabilities, but the cost is generally prohibative..

    a full face friction plate will have softer engagment, but will not handle the same amount of torque..

    oh, and some twin plates are noisy when disengaged.

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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    twin plate is fantastic if you're rich.
    button clutches are basically the poor man's (ie: most of us) twin plate
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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    Brass button clutches really arn't that hard to live with, once you get used to it you won't be bothered. But as everyone says, if you can afford it, a twin plate is a much nicer thing.

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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    brass buttons definately are a personal choice.. i loved mine, and would happilly have another, other people hate them... some people just can't park a car with one..

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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    Does anyone do a dual compound clutch?
    6 pucks with 3 being carbon, and 3 being brass?

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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    a sprung centred and/or cushioned puck clutch will be nicer than not, but not as strong perhaps.

    twin plate effectively doubles the clamping force of the pressure plate (ie the clamping force of the pressure plate is transmitted to the gearbox input spline twice), so you can have a much much lighter pedal than otherwise possible with a single plate... and you don't need such high friction centres either just good old organic sprung plates may be ok, since they now take half the load each...

    twin if you can afford it and live with the rattle.
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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    all depends on how much torque you're putting down as well... for most street applications a heavy organic sprung clutch will be fine, maybe with a kevlar face (I think that's the right face typ[e? too late to think)
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    and of course campbell newman's completely fucking everything he touches so badly that he should be called dick fingers.

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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    you are close to the money there oldcorolas,

    a twin plate clutch (all else being the same) will transmit twice the torque that a single will, with the same clamp load.

    for drivability, twin plate is the way to go.

    i drove a mate's GTiR pulsar with a 3 puck button, and i loved it, but got back in my car and put dents in the floor under the clutch pedal (and wondered why it was so slow)

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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    Quote Originally Posted by shinybluesteel
    you are close to the money there oldcorolas,

    a twin plate clutch (all else being the same) will transmit twice the torque that a single will, with the same clamp load.
    thanks i was too tired to think how to say it properly (after just getting back from two days of powder in Niseko )
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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    Quote Originally Posted by Draven
    all depends on how much torque you're putting down as well... for most street applications a heavy organic sprung clutch will be fine, maybe with a kevlar face (I think that's the right face typ[e? too late to think)

    kevlar has a lower friction co-efficient than most organic centres i believe, but its much tougher and can stand more abuse.

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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    Quote Originally Posted by shinybluesteel
    i drove a mate's GTiR pulsar with a 3 puck button, and i loved it, but got back in my car and put dents in the floor under the clutch pedal (and wondered why it was so slow)
    Hehe, I did exactly the same thing in a 3 puck buttoned GTiR too! I really liked it once i got used to it.

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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    Not the best clutch to have with a 'tender' gearbox though

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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    Also remember that you can't keep on increasing the clamp load, sooner or later something will give, most likely the folk.

    Myne, i'd go speak to ACS to see if they can make one up.

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    Default Re: twin plate clutch over a single plate 6 puck carbon version

    i hate it when the old folk give way..

    my lancer had an uber heavy jap clutch in it for a while.. broke the bracket and then ripped the firewall..

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