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    Default Re: Engineers Cert. Question.

    That is one document I know of... i'll look for more later, I better start work.. lol

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    Customer Service Documents

    Engine replacement

    A vehicle fitted with a non-standard engine is considered to be modified and must comply with guideleines issued by VicRoads in accordance with 819 of the Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 1999. They are divided into three categories.

    Category 1 replacements
    Category 1 replacements
    Engine replacements in this category are a repair, not a modification. They are a reconditioned or replacement engines of the same make, capacity and type, including number of cylinders and induction system, as the engine it replaces. The only significant change is the engine number.

    Note: Carburettors, fuel injection systems or turbo chargers are all part of the induction system and whatever was on the original engine must be on the replacement engine.

    Technical requirements:
    The engine must be correctly fitted, with all polluting control equipment and other fittings connected. A certificate or report is not required.

    The vehicle must be presented at a VicRoads Registration and Licensing office for a change of engine number to be recorded.
    Category 2 replacements
    Category 2 replacements
    Engine replacements in this category are generally a modification. They are:

    a) Engines different to that replaced but of a specific type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for the vehicle model concerned, or

    b) Engines which are not of the same type and/or make as those replaced or offered as an option by the manufacturer of the vehicle concerned, but are equivalent in general configuration, power, mass, and emissions standard to that of the original or an optional engine for the vehicle model.
    Note: It is very unlikely that many vehicles apart from heavy goods vehicles would have a replacement engine of this type.

    Technical requirements:
    All related components including:
    i) general structure, reinforcement, suspensions, brakes, drive lines, etc., must be equivalent to those fitted to vehicles of the same model supplied with the engine type concerned as optional original equipment by the vehicle manufacturer.

    ii) acceptable evidence must be supplied certifying that the above components are fitted and the vehicle in its modified form is safe and complies with the applicable mandatory requirements for that vehicle model.

    Acceptable evidence for this type of engine replacement is:
    a) a completed declaration signed by either a motor mechanic, an automotive engineer or a person with similar qualifications; or
    b) a letter or certificate from an authorised dealer for the make of vehicle concerned, certifying that the modified vehicle meets all applicable requirements; or
    c) an engineer's report.

    Category 3 replacements
    Category 3 replacements
    Engine replacements in this category are a modification. They are:
    engines which are different to any offered by the manufacturer of the vehicle as an option for that model;
    engines which have a capacity or power of more than 10% above the largest option engine for that vehicle;
    engines which have been extensively modified or fitted with a turbo charger;
    engine replacements which have required extensive modifications to the vehicle to allow the engine to be fitted, such as cutting and welding sub-frames or fabricating engine mountings to accomodate the replacement engine


    Technical requirements:
    An Engineers Report must be provided, including evidence that the vehicle in its modified form is safe and meets all constructions and emission control requirements applicable to the vehicle model concerned.

    Emission requirements
    Emission requirements
    Passenger vehicles built on or after 1 July 1976 were required to comply with the applicable ADR which contained quite strict emission requirements. These requirements became tighter with the introduction of further ADRs.

    1 July 1976: introduction of ADR 27 (A) for emission requirements
    1 January 1982: introduction of ADR 27 (B)
    1 January 1983: introduction of ADR 27 (C)
    1 January 1986: vehicles built on or after this date were required to run on unleaded petrol and comply with ADR 37 or ADR 37/01 as applicable
    1 February 1986: introduction of ADR 27 for emission requirements


    Considerations
    Considerations
    Red Holden engines: Customers will say they have replaced a red Holden engine with another red Holden engine. These engines are not necessarily identical. Red engines were built from about 1963 to 1980 in various sizes and to meet different emission requirements.

    250 Falcon engines: Ford produced the 250 engine from early 1970 to well into the 1980s. The engines were the same size but was redesigned a number of times to meet different emission requirements. These changes also resulted in much higher power outputs.

    Always check the date of manufacture of the replacement engine. Generally it should be from a vehicle in the same model range or newer. If a newer engine is fitted to a vehicle manufactured on or after 1 July 1976 any pollution or engine control equipment for that engine must be retained (eg computer controlled catalytic converter). Where it is intended to fit an engine which has been designed to meet earlier or later emission requirements than those applicable to the vehicle, the customer should be reminded that the EPA has requirements which must also be complied with and for further information and a copy of the EPA Modified Vehicle Guidelines they should contact the EPA.

    There may be more to the modification than just changing the engine such as brake change, suspension change, rear axle changed, turbo charger fitted.

    LPG
    LPG
    Vehicles built before 1 January 1986 can be converted to run on LPG or CNG without any restrictions apart from having to comply with the applicable Australian Standard 1425.

    Vehicles built on or after 1 January 1986 converted to run on LPG, CNG or dual fuel must retain all the emission equipment and meet the emission requirements that apply to that vehicle.


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    Approved on 10/11/2004

    Disclaimer
    VicRoads does not warrant; guarantee or make any representations regarding the currency; accuracy or correctness or any other aspect; of the material presented in this information sheet. By using this material you accept sole responsibility and all risk for its use and VicRoads does not accept any liability for any loss or damage which you may incur as a result of that use.
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    Default Re: Engineers Cert. Question.

    Quote Originally Posted by -NiCkeL-
    That is one document I know of... i'll look for more later, I better start work.. lol


    Customer Service Documents
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    Engine replacement



    A vehicle fitted with a non-standard engine is considered to be modified and must comply with guideleines issued by VicRoads in accordance with 819 of the Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 1999. They are divided into three categories.

    Category 1 replacements
    Category 1 replacements
    Engine replacements in this category are a repair, not a modification. They are a reconditioned or replacement engines of the same make, capacity and type, including number of cylinders and induction system, as the engine it replaces. The only significant change is the engine number.

    Note: Carburettors, fuel injection systems or turbo chargers are all part of the induction system and whatever was on the original engine must be on the replacement engine.

    Technical requirements:
    The engine must be correctly fitted, with all polluting control equipment and other fittings connected. A certificate or report is not required.

    The vehicle must be presented at a VicRoads Registration and Licensing office for a change of engine number to be recorded.
    Category 2 replacements
    Category 2 replacements
    Engine replacements in this category are generally a modification. They are:

    a) Engines different to that replaced but of a specific type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for the vehicle model concerned, or

    b) Engines which are not of the same type and/or make as those replaced or offered as an option by the manufacturer of the vehicle concerned, but are equivalent in general configuration, power, mass, and emissions standard to that of the original or an optional engine for the vehicle model.
    Note: It is very unlikely that many vehicles apart from heavy goods vehicles would have a replacement engine of this type.

    Technical requirements:
    All related components including:
    i) general structure, reinforcement, suspensions, brakes, drive lines, etc., must be equivalent to those fitted to vehicles of the same model supplied with the engine type concerned as optional original equipment by the vehicle manufacturer.

    ii) acceptable evidence must be supplied certifying that the above components are fitted and the vehicle in its modified form is safe and complies with the applicable mandatory requirements for that vehicle model.

    Acceptable evidence for this type of engine replacement is:
    a) a completed declaration signed by either a motor mechanic, an automotive engineer or a person with similar qualifications; or
    b) a letter or certificate from an authorised dealer for the make of vehicle concerned, certifying that the modified vehicle meets all applicable requirements; or
    c) an engineer's report.

    Category 3 replacements
    Category 3 replacements
    Engine replacements in this category are a modification. They are:
    engines which are different to any offered by the manufacturer of the vehicle as an option for that model;
    engines which have a capacity or power of more than 10% above the largest option engine for that vehicle;
    engines which have been extensively modified or fitted with a turbo charger;
    engine replacements which have required extensive modifications to the vehicle to allow the engine to be fitted, such as cutting and welding sub-frames or fabricating engine mountings to accomodate the replacement engine


    Technical requirements:
    An Engineers Report must be provided, including evidence that the vehicle in its modified form is safe and meets all constructions and emission control requirements applicable to the vehicle model concerned.

    Emission requirements
    Emission requirements
    Passenger vehicles built on or after 1 July 1976 were required to comply with the applicable ADR which contained quite strict emission requirements. These requirements became tighter with the introduction of further ADRs.

    1 July 1976: introduction of ADR 27 (A) for emission requirements
    1 January 1982: introduction of ADR 27 (B)
    1 January 1983: introduction of ADR 27 (C)
    1 January 1986: vehicles built on or after this date were required to run on unleaded petrol and comply with ADR 37 or ADR 37/01 as applicable
    1 February 1986: introduction of ADR 27 for emission requirements


    Considerations
    Considerations
    Red Holden engines: Customers will say they have replaced a red Holden engine with another red Holden engine. These engines are not necessarily identical. Red engines were built from about 1963 to 1980 in various sizes and to meet different emission requirements.

    250 Falcon engines: Ford produced the 250 engine from early 1970 to well into the 1980s. The engines were the same size but was redesigned a number of times to meet different emission requirements. These changes also resulted in much higher power outputs.

    Always check the date of manufacture of the replacement engine. Generally it should be from a vehicle in the same model range or newer. If a newer engine is fitted to a vehicle manufactured on or after 1 July 1976 any pollution or engine control equipment for that engine must be retained (eg computer controlled catalytic converter). Where it is intended to fit an engine which has been designed to meet earlier or later emission requirements than those applicable to the vehicle, the customer should be reminded that the EPA has requirements which must also be complied with and for further information and a copy of the EPA Modified Vehicle Guidelines they should contact the EPA.

    There may be more to the modification than just changing the engine such as brake change, suspension change, rear axle changed, turbo charger fitted.

    LPG
    LPG
    Vehicles built before 1 January 1986 can be converted to run on LPG or CNG without any restrictions apart from having to comply with the applicable Australian Standard 1425.

    Vehicles built on or after 1 January 1986 converted to run on LPG, CNG or dual fuel must retain all the emission equipment and meet the emission requirements that apply to that vehicle.


    Associated Links
    PARS


    Approved on 10/11/2004

    Disclaimer
    VicRoads does not warrant; guarantee or make any representations regarding the currency; accuracy or correctness or any other aspect; of the material presented in this information sheet. By using this material you accept sole responsibility and all risk for its use and VicRoads does not accept any liability for any loss or damage which you may incur as a result of that use.

    Nice document

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    Default Re: Engineers Cert. Question.

    Just to add my 2c (I skim read over a bunch of the more heated sections so apologise if this has been covered).

    I spoke to a few people at Vicroads a few years ago (may have changed since the NCOP) when investigating an engine swap and was told that if the car wasn't delivered to Australia it doesn't count. So the fact that the JZA70 was released in Japan had no impact on the situation here.

    This is especially relevant for emmissions. Sure Toyota could have released a super-polluting 2stroke kero-burning KE70 in Kyrzgstan, but Vicroads wont let you put that engine in your KE70 here because you can't prove it meets Australian emmission standards.

    However as in all these matters, talk to the right people, namely Vicroads and an engineer.

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    This was just released today....



    Customer Service Documents

    Engine replacement

    A vehicle fitted with a non-standard engine is considered to be modified and must comply with guideleines issued by VicRoads in accordance with 819 of the Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 1999. They are divided into three categories.

    Category 1 replacements
    Category 1 replacements
    1. Replacement engine is identical to the original engine, or is an option allowed by the manufacturer for the same model vehicle
    The optional engine must be offered in Australia by the vehicle manufacturer as as option for that vehicle (or certified variants). The change of engine may be recorded by VicRoads provided that the registered operator or a motor mechanic, or dealer in that make of vehicle or an Automotive Engineer signs a declaration certifying the engine is optional for the vehicle model, and that all modifications made by the manufacturer for the same vehicle model with that optional engine, have been completed.

    A Change of Description form must be completed providing new engine details. An inspection to confirm engine details is also required. The engine number must be checked on the VRIS stolen sub system and NEVDIS to ensure it is not stolen.

    Category 2 replacements
    Category 2 replacements
    2. Replacement engine is not of a type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle or where alterations, or changes to the vehicle's frame or structure are made, and/or specially fabricated supports or structures are used
    A VASS Approval Certificate from a VicRoads VASS Signatory is required. An original receipt for the purchase of the engine must be provided as proof of ownership of the engine.

    A Change of Description form must be completed providing new engine details and an inspection to confirm engine details is required. A stolen check on VRIS and NEVDIS must also be completed.
    Emission requirements
    Emission requirements
    Passenger vehicles built on or after 1 July 1976 were required to comply with the applicable ADR which contained quite strict emission requirements. These requirements became tighter with the introduction of further ADRs.

    1 July 1976: introduction of ADR 27 (A) for emission requirements
    1 January 1982: introduction of ADR 27 (B)
    1 January 1983: introduction of ADR 27 (C)
    1 January 1986: vehicles built on or after this date were required to run on unleaded petrol and comply with ADR 37 or ADR 37/01 as applicable
    1 February 1986: introduction of ADR 27 for emission requirements


    Considerations
    Considerations
    Red Holden engines: Customers will say they have replaced a red Holden engine with another red Holden engine. These engines are not necessarily identical. Red engines were built from about 1963 to 1980 in various sizes and to meet different emission requirements.

    250 Falcon engines: Ford produced the 250 engine from early 1970 to well into the 1980s. The engines were the same size but was redesigned a number of times to meet different emission requirements. These changes also resulted in much higher power outputs.

    Always check the date of manufacture of the replacement engine. Generally it should be from a vehicle in the same model range or newer. If a newer engine is fitted to a vehicle manufactured on or after 1 July 1976 any pollution or engine control equipment for that engine must be retained (eg computer controlled catalytic converter). Where it is intended to fit an engine which has been designed to meet earlier or later emission requirements than those applicable to the vehicle, the customer should be reminded that the EPA has requirements which must also be complied with and for further information and a copy of the EPA Modified Vehicle Guidelines they should contact the EPA.

    There may be more to the modification than just changing the engine such as brake change, suspension change, rear axle changed, turbo charger fitted.

    LPG
    LPG
    Vehicles built before 1 January 1986 can be converted to run on LPG or CNG without any restrictions apart from having to comply with the applicable Australian Standard 1425.

    Vehicles built on or after 1 January 1986 converted to run on LPG, CNG or dual fuel must retain all the emission equipment and meet the emission requirements that apply to that vehicle.


    Associated Links
    PARS


    Approved on 05/03/2007

    Disclaimer
    VicRoads does not warrant; guarantee or make any representations regarding the currency; accuracy or correctness or any other aspect; of the material presented in this information sheet. By using this material you accept sole responsibility and all risk for its use and VicRoads does not accept any liability for any loss or damage which you may incur as a result of that use.
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    VASS, is that now replacing the engineers cert?.. this is only going to make my 2jz-ge swap even more difficult (to be legal)

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    Category 1 replacements
    Category 1 replacements
    1. Replacement engine is identical to the original engine, or is an option allowed by the manufacturer for the same model vehicle
    The optional engine must be offered in Australia by the vehicle manufacturer as as option for that vehicle (or certified variants). The change of engine may be recorded by VicRoads provided that the registered operator or a motor mechanic, or dealer in that make of vehicle or an Automotive Engineer signs a declaration certifying the engine is optional for the vehicle model, and that all modifications made by the manufacturer for the same vehicle model with that optional engine, have been completed.

    A Change of Description form must be completed providing new engine details. An inspection to confirm engine details is also required. The engine number must be checked on the VRIS stolen sub system and NEVDIS to ensure it is not stolen.


    So your still gonna need a Engineer Cert if ur oging 7mge to 7mgte?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViPeR_NiPPleX
    VASS, is that now replacing the engineers cert?.. this is only going to make my 2jz-ge swap even more difficult (to be legal)

    VASS is the engineers cert has been for years.
    just commonly called eng cert or report

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