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    Default st205 brakes onto aw11. Legal issues?

    hey guys, looking to perform this modification:
    http://www.mr2mk1club.com/Bigbrakes.html
    to my aw11, and i was just looking around to see if anyone else had done similar?

    my main problem is i'm not sure about the legal problems associated with a job like this, so if you guys could poke me in the right direction (as well as advice etc if you have it) that'd be great.

    so far i've found both the parts i need and the person to do the main machining for me, so legalities is my final concern!
    thanks!

    if it matters, i'm in the ACT.
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    oh sorry if this is already answered somewhere else, if i could just grab a poke in the right direction (ie, linkage that'd be great too!)

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    Default Re: st205 brakes onto aw11. Legal issues?

    the best thing to do is speak with an rta or whatever similar association in the act accredited engineer talk to them tell them what your planning to do and what would be required for them to certify them (yes more than likley you will need it to be engineered)

    Make sure you talk it though with the engineer before starting the project so that you dont have to waste time/money fixing things up to make them acceptable. Some engineers will talk things through for free some wont

    it looks like an awesome brake upgrade

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    Ok, dont bother phoning Dickson straight up, they will just look at you blankly and then tell you to see an engineer.

    So to start with engineers, try John Wilson (http://www.vehicleengineering.com.au/) as i have always found him very helpful.

    As for machining, when i did my AE92 superstrut conversion (which involves machining down and redrilling discs) i had the machining done by Woden Engineering (http://www.bmsc.com.au/forums/sponso...gineering.html) who are in Hume (sadly not in Woden anymore).

    That should give you a start.
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    Default Re: st205 brakes onto aw11. Legal issues?

    thanks for that, i'll start calling round, maybe head out to those engineering places with my plans... see what they have to say.

    cheers guys!

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    Best to ring John Wilson, he commonly isnt at the workshop or is elsewhere. He will also come to you.
    For Woden Engineering, just go there when you want the discs to be machined down, its a fairly simple exercise.
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    Default Re: st205 brakes onto aw11. Legal issues?

    called john wilson, 450 for the fronts to be engineered and 500 for front and back.

    thanks guys!

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    Default Re: st205 brakes onto aw11. Legal issues?

    Eeep, thats almost as expensive as the entire engine, brakes, diff, conversion i did a while back.
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    Default Re: st205 brakes onto aw11. Legal issues?

    That front brake upgrade will not need engineering, but it will need certification that the bias has not been significantly affected, and that the master cyl can pump enough fluid.

    That rear brake upgrade will need engineering, and the welding will need to be carried out in the correct fashion.
    Welding to cast iron is very unsafe unless its done correctly, which is something an engineer will need to sign off.
    As with the first one, you'll need to get bias certified as well.
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    Default Re: st205 brakes onto aw11. Legal issues?

    takai it's $770 (+) for a full engine/brake/wheel/seats etc. cert with John at the moment. My friend had his corolla looked at last week and that was the bill.

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    Default Re: st205 brakes onto aw11. Legal issues?

    Ah ok, when i had my spoonter done it was $620.
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    Default Re: st205 brakes onto aw11. Legal issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by takai
    Ah ok, when i had my spoonter done it was $620.
    My first corolla was only $550 (which incidentally is the one being engineered currently for $770).

    For interest, an update to the certificate by John for a minor variation appears to be anywhere from $150 to $350 depending on what the variation is.

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    Default Re: st205 brakes onto aw11. Legal issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrUZida
    That front brake upgrade will not need engineering, but it will need certification that the bias has not been significantly affected, and that the master cyl can pump enough fluid.

    That rear brake upgrade will need engineering, and the welding will need to be carried out in the correct fashion.
    Welding to cast iron is very unsafe unless its done correctly, which is something an engineer will need to sign off.
    As with the first one, you'll need to get bias certified as well.
    just to clarify this is the case as per the ACT?

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    Default Re: st205 brakes onto aw11. Legal issues?

    This *should* be the case Australia wide.

    But like everything, it should be checked with the Tech Dept first.
    Talk to the Tech Dept, then an engineer.

    An engineer may say it needs engineering, coz its money in his pocket.
    The Tech Dept may just tell you it needs certification from a brake place.
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    Default Re: st205 brakes onto aw11. Legal issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrUZida
    This *should* be the case Australia wide.

    But like everything, it should be checked with the Tech Dept first.
    Talk to the Tech Dept, then an engineer.

    An engineer may say it needs engineering, coz its money in his pocket.
    The Tech Dept may just tell you it needs certification from a brake place.

    oh ok, that sounds better....
    do i just get onto the tech dpt. through the rta?

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    Default Re: st205 brakes onto aw11. Legal issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrUZida
    This *should* be the case Australia wide.

    But like everything, it should be checked with the Tech Dept first.
    Talk to the Tech Dept, then an engineer.

    An engineer may say it needs engineering, coz its money in his pocket.
    The Tech Dept may just tell you it needs certification from a brake place.

    oh ok, that sounds better....
    do i just get onto the tech dpt. through the rta?

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