AE86 Race Car Engine Options?

[SIN'D 7]

hey guys...

early next year my partner in crime and i are to be building a ae86 drift/hill climber...

we're just starting to get as much information as we can on different motors and engine set ups as we can?

the shell that we have has the standard 16v 4age motor with around 400,000 on the clock? pretty much cooked? only good driving in and out of the driveway really? unfortunately we're not looking for a turbo motor setup!

we were looking at either re-building the stock motor and race preping it to have a n/a motor...

or

heading down the road of a 4agze combination? obviously more power? but are there any difficulties with engine parts and/or fitting? now i'm sure this has been done to death? but if anyone has put one of these motors into an ae86 could you please shed some light on me!

as we're located in melbourne, if anyone could recomend a work shop that can help us out that would be greatly appreciated?

thanks in advance!

[haison]

Have a look into 20V setups, for race applications they're probably the best bang for buck.

As for a workshop what kind of work will you need them to do? If mainly machining work try CWs (also trades under Top Torque). They're a lil more expensive but they do a good job.

[SIN'D 7]

thanks for you help mate!

as for the workshops, we're after the actual motor being stripped down and re-built and then fitted? basically to do the transplant as we dont that that sort of equipment?

everything else we can do outselves?

[Robbos_Toyotas]

a beams 3sge is different...210hp, 2 litre - = fun in ae86 and bye bye 4a's!!

[jeffro ra28]

a beams 3sge is different...210hp, 2 litre - = fun in ae86 and bye bye 4a's!!

i second that.

That would really bring the ae to life

[MR22ZZ]

a stock 2ZZ-GE will put out 190hp and also weighs 60kg less then the 3S-GE BEAMS engine... plus is only 1.8L

EDIT: it should also mate well to the flywheel/clutch/g-box and bellhousing from the 4A as well.

[GTI-TRD]

yeah the beams 3sge would go nicely, but I think for something a little nwer and different you cant go wrong with the 2Z

Meridian Motorsport woul;d be worth chatting to if nothing else, they're in Moorabbin. do lots of toyota and 4ag etc work. Great rep too from all accounts

[Vios-GT_07]

the ultimate would be that 3VZ thing, or one of those alloy V6er from a camry..

and yea i just got in touch with my mate in vic, he's still looking for a suitable engine to go with it..

or.. even 1UZ... in the race world practicality is thrown out the window eh..

2JZ.. hmm.. doable but is it really trackable? 2JZ + AE86 tends to be more of a drag thing eh?

[Billzilla]

a beams 3sge is different...210hp, 2 litre - = fun in ae86 and bye bye 4a's!!

Meh, maybe.
Mine is an automatic I know, but it doesn't feel faster than the ~185hp 4AGE I built a few years ago and ran in the car.
No doubt a manual Gen4/5 3SGE would a bit nicer for performance though.

[Mr Revhead]

i would stay well away from a V6. the camry V6s are horrible for performance.
plus they are too heavy

same for the 1uz, unless you want to chop ya firewall they sit too high and forward for a track car.
mate of mine looked at it, but binned it in favour of a formula atlantic engine, a real one!

[WeekendWarrior]

hey mate thers a shop in sydney called icheban and they have a fixed price for complete engine+wiring+computer no gearbox for $995.00inc gst 20v silver top motors i think that would be ur best go as they are about 125 hp std and the off the shelf parts u can get for them are excellent. hill climbing if u were going to go down the forced induction road i would recommend the 4agze i can garuntee u will stomp all over evry one with either the 20v silvertop 4age or the 4agze or if u chucked a set of low comp forgies in the 20v and strengthen up the bottom end a bit set a supercharger up on that.it would be the quickest hillclimber around. i would steer clear of an engine conversion like a 6 or an 8 into the engine bay as there would be loss of balance and the car would understeer like a champion as there would be to much momentum at the front

hope this helps

ps the company i work for is a distributor for ROCKET INDUSTRIES so if theres anything u need toymods members get discounts

[Jonny Rochester]

In this age of motor swaps, I think original motors have more appeal, plus I don't want to see another AE86 cut and modifyed too much. If I was to come across to your car at a hill climb/drift event and saw you had the bonnet open, what would really light up my eyes? It would be that same 16v 4A-GE, 100% AE86, only rebuilt with big cams ~290-300deg, adjustable cam gears, quad throttles off a 20v if you want, tuned length extractors etc. Then a 2 way LSD and driven with conviction using all of the rpms. That's what I want to see.

I went with a 20 valve, takes a bit more sorting out. It's a good one if you don't want to rebuild right away.

[strat]

3S is the go iv put one in my RA40, but iv been thinking if yo wana go atmo wat about a RAV 4 motor i think they are 3S and they have VVTI so it would be revvy as big power ban good for slide. just a thought.

[Vios-GT_07]

i would stay well away from a V6. the camry V6s are horrible for performance.
plus they are too heavy

same for the 1uz, unless you want to chop ya firewall they sit too high and forward for a track car.
mate of mine looked at it, but binned it in favour of a formula atlantic engine, a real one!

torque from low revs, high rev capable (7000 rpms out of a V6) and an all alloy engine that weighs as much as a 4 banger with cast iron block says otherwise.. they weighed the engines and reckon the weight difference is managable.. another reason they're going V6 is coz they reckon they can fit it in without firewall modification.. i hope it gets done so i can get pics to show

a real formula atlantic engine? wow.. that's like finding kryptonite.. where did ur mate get it?

[kingmick]

You can get a formula atlantic engine if you dont mind forking out the $20k plus for a secondhand engine a new one would be well over $50k to build.