Car for sale add moved/removed?

[Dimitri]

i posted a car for sale on behalf of a friend.

i have read the rules ages ago, wasnt sure if that was, ive since re read them and realised i did do the wrong thing.

but i did explain in the thread its not likely the car would be made available to toymodders otherwise.

it isnt a big deal really, but its doesnt really make sense to me, elsewhere in the rules you do mention posting cars for sale is free to anyone even with less than 100 rep points... so as not to disadvantage other members by not having an opportunity to buy particular vehicles ..

but isnt removing the thread doing just that?

just wanted to bring it up, something to think about. would be nice if it could be re listed but im not going to jump up and down about it.

cheers.

[oldcorollas]

your friend could join up to sell the car perhaps?
if they can't be bothered, then why should they have the free advertising?

if the car is advertised elsewhere, then toymodders have access to it there also....
was he only planning to sell it on toymods, and nowhere else?

[river]

Hi,

As Bonsai Sun so rightly pointed out.... if your mate cbf'd joining Toymods to sell his car, then why would we offer our storage, services and bandwidth to give him free advertising?

If its listed somewhere in a site on the net then those that are interested will find it.

seeyuzz
river

[PlacentaJuan]

the only proof the car is not your is the fact that you said so.

plenty of people advertise stuff for friends, they just dont say so, and i have bought stuff off of them.

im glad they did it, because i got to buy something i would have otherwise missed out on.

just repost the ad and say its your car, give any interested parties your mates number.

i dont understand the rule either, and would post stuff for a mate if i tohught it would benifit a toymods member.

whats to stop you buying something from a toymods member and giving it to you mate also?

stupid rule <3

[AE35]

the only proof the car is not your is the fact that you said so.

plenty of people advertise stuff for friends, they just dont say so, and i have bought stuff off of them.

im glad they did it, because i got to buy something i would have otherwise missed out on.

just repost the ad and say its your car, give any interested parties your mates number.

i dont understand the rule either, and would post stuff for a mate if i tohught it would benifit a toymods member.

whats to stop you buying something from a toymods member and giving it to you mate also?

stupid rule <3

Agreed.

Benefits to selling something for your mate also lies in the fact that we don't have people that just sign up to sell something and then disappear into the night

[oldcorollas]

part of the reason is that the seller is directly responsible and accoutnable for the item etc etc...

it is naive to think that "toymods will miss out" if the item is offered elsewhere.

this is not the only rule PJ can't understand
to pit it basically... again... toymods is not a free advertising service. it is a service available to those people that have contributed in some way to the toymods community.

the classifieds are an added extra as a benefit to car club members and to a large extent, to forum members as well.
toymods does not require the classifieds to be available to non-club members, or to even have the free service at all.

sure i feel bad for all those people out there with "something special" that they are only physically able to sell on toymods, and some brain malfunction prevents them from either being a part of the toymods comunity, or advertising it elsewhere , but.. i'll get over it.

why should your "mates" have the priveledge of selling on toymods, without bothering to contribute to the community?

[PlacentaJuan]

i only look at toymods and supraforums. (and i dont really trust the n00bs on supra forums, the decent sellers all advertise here anyway, so its pretty much toymods is the only place i browse)

ill miss out if its not advertised here

also toymods IS a free advertising service.

people just need to be smart enough to not say they are selling something for a friend.

i think the guy who just sold me a bargain on behalf of his unregistered mate, just made a huge contribution to me.

not everyone has as university degree in wookie slaying, sometimes their only contribution is selling a bargain.

[oldcorollas]

funny, i thought toymods was a car club, that had a forum, within which was a classifieds for forum members to sell things to each other....


maybe the classifieds should be removed then?

or maybe toymods should let friends of Lexusfreake sell his "items" on his behalf?

[Dimitri]

toymods doesnt miss out. though it doesnt really hurt them either im sure.

but a toymods member might. as the car will be sold elsewhere, most likely not to a toymods member.

"my mate" builds cars, instead of talking about it so he isnt gonna join.

like i said, no big deal, but if just anyone who joins, can advertise a car, because it "might help a toymodder" then i dont see how its worse for someone already here who participates to advertises on their behalf.

the owners contact details were also supplied, so i dont see how anyones going to get caught out with having me in the middle.

its a strange rule is all. i just dont see the difference between someone with no rep posting a car for sale, or someone doing it for them on their behalf, same net result, car posted for sale by someone who isnt really interested in toymods, yet some one who is, might get to buy a nice car.

[PlacentaJuan]

whatever oc.

you probably dont buy much from here coz u live os, but i can tell you that i have bought plenty of stuff from well known toymodders who are selling items for a friend.

for me its just a stupid rule that can not be enforced.

if you can not enforce a rule then what is the point? paticuarly when the people that matter (club members) blatantly ignore (and disagree) with it?

i mean it not even worth writing about, its far easyer just to not mention that the item for sale, is in fact someone elses....

yea remove the classifieds thats the most awesome comment you have made in like 5 minutes your a fucking classic.

[oldcorollas]

considering the number of things you disagree with about toymods, i wonder why you are still here
seems many rules of toymods you find stupid? i wonder why....

i partially agree with you however the whole point of the new forums was to make people feel accountable for their actions. of course iof the person seeling the item and their friend are trustworthy, then it all goes well..

but if it doesn't go well, and the seller just goes "well it wasn't me, it was my stupid mate" and refuses to take responsibility... well.. thats when it's time to call Linden

i haven7t bought much recently as it is hard to organise storage from a long way away, and i don't think i have ever sold anything via the toymods classifieds (on new forum).. however i have sold many many things to toymods members directly....

if there was no classifieds, it would not affect me in the slightest... mostly because i contact the people most likely to want an item directly.....

to not join up to toymods to post your own car, due to sheer laziness, is just poor form


if someone sells something directly, on behalf of a friend.. it is different to posting something up with someone elses details.... can you understand that?

[Dimitri]

who're you talking to? lol anyway, like i said, no biggie.. im done.

[oldcorollas]

the ghey boy above

ahh well, your buddy will have to go and pay for advertising.. poor guy...

oh wait, there are many other forums with free advertising.. who woulda thunk....

[Lambolica]

Guys,

The simple fact is, the forums exist as a technical forum for the financial members of toymods Car Club and the greater toyota community.

On the old forums there were very few restrictions on the classifides section and as a result the forums were full of users who joined, posted something for sale. then never returned, or simply just used the forum for free advertising. As a result club members were put at risk of being ripped off by dodgy dealings.

When the new forums came on line, the board put the financial members first, and placed the rules on the classifides to provide a measure of protection to the clubs members and further to other forum users.

Unlike other forum based "Clubs" Toymods is an incorporated club and as such has a responsibility to run the club in accordance with the clubs objectives:

1. To provide a friendly environment for toyota owners and enthusiasts to socialise.

2. To help members learn to modify their cars and improve their automotive skills.

The lack of rules (or lack of enforcement of rules) did not activlely create a friendly place for members, largely due to tools signing up to spam the classifieds and further the rest of the forums with usless posts. this costs the club members who now pay for the wasted bandwidth of non contributing forum users posting in classifides and non car talk.

The classifides has very little impact on the objectives of the club. therefore is restricted in such a way that new users need to contribute to the objectives before they have access. if they do not contribute, their rep keeps them form the initial classifides spamming likebthe old forums.

sure people sell on behalf of others without necessarily saying so. The mods can't physically moderate every single posting for the classifides for compliance, but generally the users who come across this type of thing report it. Those who don't are putting themselves at risk as the club cannot help if it is a non forum user causing a problem.

If you are selling on behalf of someone else. anyone that is buying is putting their trust in not only the advertiser, but the seller. form the clubs point of view the risk is too high, hense the rule being in place. similarly with ebay ads. The clubs stance is to limit the number of people involved in the transaction to 2. the buyer and seller. this way the club can offer some measurement of protection to both parties. outside of that. it is buyer beware.

The club does not knowingly allow this to happen nor does the club make 1 off exceptions. if we allow 1 post then everyone bitches and we would have to allow allof them and the forums goes back to the shit fight that was the old forums.

The club was losing members due to the state of the old forums, and without members there is no club, and no forum, or classifides section.

you may not agree with the rules but trust they are there for a very good reason. even if you fail to see it. Or you just want to whinge.

Cheers
Simon