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    Default Re: Mods for 3SFE engines

    bottom line: get a 3sge (non-turbo option) 3sgte (turbo option) there is no-other Toyota engine in the same class worth mentioning
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    u want a good engine that will run for ages? get the 3sfe with a camry boxed around it. they run best that way. you want performance? dont even bother with the 3sfe. the sheer cost to make it RWD would greatly outweigh any benefit you could extract from them.

    you cant put a GE or GTE head on a 3sfe. u can if u change internals but nothing simple as swapping heads.

    if you are still adamant on extracting power out of the 3sfe then i'd be looking at how much kms its done. then i'd be looking at what you exactly mean by mods? a little more power or heaps more? personally if you really wanted to you can get some more power out of this engine, but as most of the camry guys know, its not the easiest engine to modify and it'll be a long path of customisation as there are next to no parts available.

    let me know if you still want to go down this path.

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    For Sale one low KM 3SFE engine with Loom.......

    Time to find another

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    Ill give ya $50 for it, might even come and pick it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by takai
    If you are going to bother doing it, then just wander off and read one of the 3SGTE or 3SGE conversions and apply what you learn.
    Quote Originally Posted by EldarO
    3TGTE for teh win!

    either that or bung a 2s in, from an sa63 celica, already RWD for fun and, less effort later if you want to go 3sge or 3sgte.

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    I'd hate to start an argument, but isn't one of the major issues with RWD 3S conversions the fact that the 2S-C has a 6 bolt flywheel? And is the 3S-FE also a 6 bolt flywheel? So isn't it worth checking out if the flywheel bolts up before rubbishing the FE? Considering how they ARE easy to get and not that difficult to obtain 3S-GE pistons if you wanted to mount a 3S-GE head? If your not looking to seroiusly lean on it, the 3S-FE block looks like an ideal candidate with a GE head. Correct me if I'm wrong- its just that they seem to do about 250,000kms, pop a head gasket, get a new one and keep going....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wraith
    I'd hate to start an argument, but isn't one of the major issues with RWD 3S conversions the fact that the 2S-C has a 6 bolt flywheel? And is the 3S-FE also a 6 bolt flywheel? So isn't it worth checking out if the flywheel bolts up before rubbishing the FE? Considering how they ARE easy to get and not that difficult to obtain 3S-GE pistons if you wanted to mount a 3S-GE head? If your not looking to seroiusly lean on it, the 3S-FE block looks like an ideal candidate with a GE head. Correct me if I'm wrong- its just that they seem to do about 250,000kms, pop a head gasket, get a new one and keep going....

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    i'm with you on that one Takai.

    who cares how many bolts are on the flywheel? some 3sfe's came with 8 bolts. does it matter? does the price of tomorrow's fish change it? no.

    secondly 3sfe - fe head + ge head does NOT work. if you were to change all the internals then yes it would. first thign that is different is the different valve angles.FE is 22 degrees, GE is 45. this leads to changing the pistons, then the cranks are different etc and the list goes on. need i say more?

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    Back from the very dead
    The 22.5 degree valve angle heads were used on the best blacktop beams 5th gen engine
    as Billzilla proved the narrow valve angle heads can extract easier hp also on the 4afe engines
    and are superior to 44.5 degree angle heads when modified for high hp

    Quote Originally Posted by horse View Post
    i'm with you on that one Takai.

    who cares how many bolts are on the flywheel? some 3sfe's came with 8 bolts. does it matter? does the price of tomorrow's fish change it? no.

    secondly 3sfe - fe head + ge head does NOT work. if you were to change all the internals then yes it would. first thign that is different is the different valve angles.FE is 22 degrees, GE is 45. this leads to changing the pistons, then the cranks are different etc and the list goes on. need i say more?

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    Well,about 10 year ago I built a 3S-FE to -93 Carina E. Ported the head,fiddled with the manifold and so on.Result? 155 hp and 217 Nm and REALLY strong torque curve.Did leave 3S-GE Celica standing still..Stock cams and everything;only SMT6 tunebox dialed in.Today I probably can make it somewhat better;one learn by doing..
    So you "experts" saying that 3S-FE is crap can go home and learn things before commenting about things you don't know a shit..

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    3SFE ports arnt too bad just a little small. Its the tiny throttle body and long intake runners that restrict it. I put one in a AE86 (RWD), with bigger TB and shorter runners. I had it running but sold the car before I got to drive it so I dont know what it would have been like.

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    Default Re: Mods for 3SFE engines

    SR40g Spacia sump, pickup and 5SFE oil pump fixes and RWD oil issues I have done it before. SR40g is a stock RWD 3SFE.

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    " SR40g is a stock RWD 3SFE. " What? RWD 3S-FE? Please tell more! Is it a Aussie special or what??

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    Quote Originally Posted by liteace View Post
    Back from the very dead
    The 22.5 degree valve angle heads were used on the best blacktop beams 5th gen engine
    as Billzilla proved the narrow valve angle heads can extract easier hp also on the 4afe engines
    and are superior to 44.5 degree angle heads when modified for high hp
    so what you're saying is.... buy a blacktop beams 3sge
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorGo View Post
    " SR40g is a stock RWD 3SFE. " What? RWD 3S-FE? Please tell more! Is it a Aussie special or what??


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    Yep sold in Aus and JP. I have the stock RWD intake manifold lying around at home, but I might hang onto it so I can boost a $100 wrecker motor in a KE lol. SV21 3SFE has good comp for boost.

    When I had my Townace (KR40), I was soooo tempted to dump the EFI 7k for a 3SGTE!! Imagine getting your ass whipped by a shitty van haha!!

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