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    Default 2JZ-GE & 2JZ-GTE differences

    basically looking at the differences between the motor and manifolds on the 2JZ series.

    Obviously 1 is turbo one isnt.

    But main questions: are the exhaust manifolds interchangable. Basically if i single turbo my NA motor and then blow it up, will the manifold and turbo setup bolt up to a GTE motor the second time round?

    Is it worth me custom turboing the NA motor to see how long it lasts? then just put it all on built motor when it lets go?

    Will the NA manifold be suitable for boost?

    How much power roughly will a NA motor put out under boost before melting/let go.

    I have got a wold 3d computer to run it all, same one my mate is using to make 430hp on 19psi. so i'l be using that.

    If i turboed the NA motor could i just plumb in extra injectors to add the extra fuel on boost?

    Info appreciated
    Cheers
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    Default Re: 2JZ-GE & 2JZ-GTE differences

    With a very small amount of searching you could answer all of these questions. Seriously, anything 2JZ-related is very well documented here and elsewhere. Very briefly though:

    1. no
    2. not really
    3. sort of
    4. between 100 and 1000hp
    5. yes
    6. only if you want it to blow up.

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    Default Re: 2JZ-GE & 2JZ-GTE differences

    check over at www.supraforums.com.au, the NA-T has been covered to death over there a number of members who have them installed and working with 8-10 psi, which is yeidling some pretty high numbers. Also the US site has lots more info www.supraforums.com

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    Default Re: 2JZ-GE & 2JZ-GTE differences

    Cheers guys. i'l check out the site you mention.

    I'd say i'l prolly just use the GTE base straight up though.

    Cheers
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    Hi Matty,
    doesnt hurt to have a look does it...........

    GE doesnt have a crank angle sensor,GTE does [located in oil pump]
    GE no oil cooling under pistons,inferior pistons,no water cooled oil filter,GE block has no oil feeds for turbos.

    There are turbo manifolds on ebay for the GE.

    After modifying a GE bottom end for turbo use with 1j head I can tell you that the info required is NOT clear or easy to come by.MISinformation is there in bucketloads.

    Best of luck with it.Cheers.Pete.
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    Default Re: 2JZ-GE & 2JZ-GTE differences

    What about the valves? Different?
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    lol...

    no
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    Default Re: 2JZ-GE & 2JZ-GTE differences

    Quote Originally Posted by petespipes
    Hi Matty,
    doesnt hurt to have a look does it...........

    GE doesnt have a crank angle sensor,GTE does [located in oil pump]
    GE no oil cooling under pistons,inferior pistons,no water cooled oil filter,GE block has no oil feeds for turbos.

    There are turbo manifolds on ebay for the GE.

    After modifying a GE bottom end for turbo use with 1j head I can tell you that the info required is NOT clear or easy to come by.MISinformation is there in bucketloads.

    Best of luck with it.Cheers.Pete.
    Cheers Pete

    I have decided to go GTE bottom end now, i only wanna build it once. Next decision is how far i wanna go, as in pistons and rods and crank.

    I'l start pricing up all the bits and also see if there are any "built" 2j's for sale anywhere as i may be cheaper to pick up one already done or half done or something.

    Had the car 2 days now and already feel the need to make it go fast, i have a disability and cant be satisfied just cruising....Especially with how the car looks, every1 expects big things. Time to modify

    Matty

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    I'v fitted a haltech and tuned a stock internals 2jzgte , it has single turbo ( t51r ) 4 inch exhaust , front mount cooler , bigger injectors and pump , and boost cooler water injection , still has original head gasket and bolts , standard cams , motor is stock , It has so far put out 624 RWHP on about 27lbs , still has a lot of traction problems but has run 11.5 at 132mph ( jza80 )
    Thats toyota for you !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildsupra
    Cheers Pete

    I have decided to go GTE bottom end now, i only wanna build it once. Next decision is how far i wanna go, as in pistons and rods and crank.

    I'l start pricing up all the bits and also see if there are any "built" 2j's for sale anywhere as i may be cheaper to pick up one already done or half done or something.

    Had the car 2 days now and already feel the need to make it go fast, i have a disability and cant be satisfied just cruising....Especially with how the car looks, every1 expects big things. Time to modify

    Matty
    Matty if Aaron comes through for me with the JZA70 I'm trying to get in I might just have a 2JZ for you, apparently ~585HP (for the right price of course )

    it all just depends on if this deal goes through and I actually win out and get it
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    Default Re: 2JZ-GE & 2JZ-GTE differences

    Quote Originally Posted by TA22-3SGTE
    I'v fitted a haltech and tuned a stock internals 2jzgte , it has single turbo ( t51r ) 4 inch exhaust , front mount cooler , bigger injectors and pump , and boost cooler water injection , still has original head gasket and bolts , standard cams , motor is stock , It has so far put out 624 RWHP on about 27lbs , still has a lot of traction problems but has run 11.5 at 132mph ( jza80 )
    Thats toyota for you !

    Trevor
    ooohh yeah that sounds good i'd be happy with those sort of numbers, especially from a fairly stock motor.

    Matty

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie
    Matty if Aaron comes through for me with the JZA70 I'm trying to get in I might just have a 2JZ for you, apparently ~585HP (for the right price of course )

    it all just depends on if this deal goes through and I actually win out and get it
    yeah man i have heard a few little things about a purchase you are trying to make or what not.
    I would be extremely interested in the motor if you were looking to seperate it.....depending on price also PM me if you have details and a ballpark figure in mind
    If your stuck for cash up front to buy it and if i did want the motor, then i'd prolly be willing to pay for it up front to help you get the car here if need be.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildsupra
    yeah man i have heard a few little things about a purchase you are trying to make or what not.
    I would be extremely interested in the motor if you were looking to seperate it.....depending on price also PM me if you have details and a ballpark figure in mind
    If your stuck for cash up front to buy it and if i did want the motor, then i'd prolly be willing to pay for it up front to help you get the car here if need be.

    Cheers
    Matty
    yeah, I'm not looking at keeping the motor, 2JZ in my JZA70 just doesn't appeal to me, I'll be sticking on the 1JZ path for her
    As for price I still need to actually work out what it's worth, it's got hks 264 cams, cam gears, T78, upgraded intake plenum, Q45 throttle body (possibly a few other goodies, but I don't recall atm)
    I'm cool for cash to get her in (just hoping deal goes ahead and I get it, fingers crossed)

    As soon as I know for certain that the deal is going through I'll let you know
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    252.1 HP (Hyperdrive, 11/11/06) / 264.2 HP (XSpeed, 24/02/07)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildsupra
    Cheers Pete

    I have decided to go GTE bottom end now


    me thinks the right decision
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    Quote Originally Posted by ed_jza80
    lol...

    no
    As in no they arn't different? If so, gooooood
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    Default Re: 2JZ-GE & 2JZ-GTE differences

    didnt we do this already on supraforums

    they are the same
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    Default Re: 2JZ-GE & 2JZ-GTE differences

    yeah soughta. I just wanted some one to agree so its not just coming from one person. Was a waste of time raising it on SF tho!

    Cheers again! lol...
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    Default Re: 2JZ-GE & 2JZ-GTE differences

    lol... too right about SF though
    PM giantomato or shane, theyll be able to reassure you on valve sizing if you need it
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    Quote Originally Posted by ed_jza80
    lol... too right about SF though
    Yeah they're a hopeless lot over there, especially the mods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norbie
    Yeah they're a hopeless lot over there, especially the mods.
    Nah most em them are ok, theres one of them thats a real PITA though.
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