Foyota Capri GT-S OR.. Datota 510 GTS????

[oldeskewltoy]

First post in this section.... I'm about to buy this........ \/

1972 V6 race car with many spares. No expense was spared in preparing this car for SCCA's ITA race class including spherical bearings, pro-built V6 which puts out close to 170hp. The car weighs a little over 2100 lbs so it is very fast.

-front adjustable Koni yellow struts, coil over suspension
-spherical bearings throught the suspension
-15 gallon fuelsafe fuel cell
-dual egt
-spare wheel package
-lightweight Sparco racing seat
-custom camber plates
-5 core radiator
-xtra motor parts, block,pistons,etc.
-xtra transmissions
-dearched rear springs - roll steer eliminated
-ZF-limited slip with 3.89 rear gears

Biggest advantage to this chassis....... no emissions requirements... so I never need to get it sniffed again

Many of you know about my blueprinted 4AGE and some know about the AZ6 swap. My initial intentions with the above car is to enjoy it for a year as the rip snort'en ground pounder it is... and then... after participating in a local vintage event, I thought I'd look at putting my 4AG in it.

The 4AG is closer in mass to the Euro 1.6 Kent engine... so I will need to soften the front springs to compensate. The hp potnetial is there with the 4AGE, unfortunately the torque is less in a 4AGE(assumption here....)... but is it less than a Kent 1.6?

I was also hoping to find a set of the olde euro box flairs that Ford put on the car when they spanked BMW with the Capri back in the early 70s.



So... any ideas???? recomendations? brainfarts???

[30psi 4agte]

Where do you want me to start mate!
This is right up my alley
4a in a oldskool ford mabe even turbo.
Its what god wanted but ford never did.

The motor will fit no worries.Mounts are piss easy to fab. A w57 will fit the tunnel fairly easy ( need a custom x member) and the rest would be a walk in the park for you.

The light chassis and the rev happy 4a with a turbo for torque will be a winner.

Shit ........if you really want to get it together fast and use the t50 to get it going . I have a gearbox x member here for one. All you need then is a tail shaft and engine mounts.
I could prob even scrounge these up to.

[oldeskewltoy]

Where do you want me to start mate!
This is right up my alley
4a in a oldskool ford mabe even turbo.
Its what god wanted but ford never did.

The motor will fit no worries.Mounts are piss easy to fab. A w57 will fit the tunnel fairly easy ( need a custom x member) and the rest would be a walk in the park for you.

The light chassis and the rev happy 4a with a turbo for torque will be a winner.

This would be my 4th! all V6s... the other cars were just dailys(back 20 years ago!!!) One fun day I used one V6 Capri to tow another V6 Capri... I was honked at many times that day......

Shit ........if you really want to get it together fast and use the t50 to get it going . I have a gearbox x member here for one. All you need then is a tail shaft and engine mounts.
I could prob even scrounge these up to.

Since I want to "compete" in one vintage event in my life.... I'll leave the torquy V6 in there till after the event and then move on... but I may just hit you up for those parts.........(I know where to find ya.... AND you could try to dig and find the stuff... so when I do decide... I can ask my mate... send him a few dollars and make it a semi bolt in!

I'll have more photos by the end of this weekend....

[oldeskewltoy]

doble posted see above

[oldcorollas]

turn it into another "perana" copy?

[Mr Revhead]

leave the V6 in it!!!
well, you dont have too... i just miss my capri!
my first car was a 1970 3 litre GT. no i dont know how im still alive....

modern perana.... 4.6 DOHC? prob wont fit... but woul dbe cool

[Sam_Q]

950kg, a 4ag should suit something like that pretty well.

Any idea on what the resale value is like for the old driveline?

[Cuts]

its light enough to use a 4a, and we all know you can get good power for them.
missing a bit of torque....rev it more

capri's are tough as. There is one down here with a hot 351 running 10's, its awsome.

[oldeskewltoy]

F......................

why can't people tell you when there is an interested party before you???????? The Capri is no longer available...

Besides the Capri(which I've owned...) what about a Datsun PL510... yes... the original Datsun 510 coupe(69-73... - I believe.....) There are a few more of those... and their suspensions aren't quite as anitquated as the Capri.........

the original "L" engines are heavy and underpowered, and although they can be tuned to make pretty good power, they CAN'T do it efficently... or emissions friendly....


Has anyone here seen, or know of a 510 running a 4AGE??????????

[oldcorollas]

L28 fit?
3SGTE?
2ZZGZE?

510's benefit is light and nimble and big engine won't help much..
4AG would be ok, but you are still probably down on torque from a sorted L20
you could go CA/SR also and keep it in the family?

[oldeskewltoy]

L28 fit?
3SGTE?


510's benefit is light and nimble and big engine won't help much..

uhhhhhhhh?????????????? those are HUGE

4AG would be ok, but you are still probably down on torque from a sorted L20
you could go CA/SR also and keep it in the family?

Why I'm thinking of the 510... similar handling(likely better) than an AE86... Also with the tweaked engine... the pre - 1975 chassis means no sniffer tests....

Yes an SR or a CA would remain in the Nissan family... but they do weigh more... My aim is to keep the 510s nimbleness... especially since I love the 86s nimbleness.....
An "L" engine is very inefficient, and can't match the power output AND the emissions and mileage the 4AG will get.

I like my 86... I just don't want to cut it up(harnesses) to put this engine in, so I was looking for a pre 75 chassis that had similar, or better handling then an 86 while remaining similar in overall mass.

[merc-blue]

There is a obvious engine to put into this. zetec/duratec V6 from a mondeo/probe etc
Alloy block V6. can be mated to a Sierra T9 box so your sweet as. even can get bellhousings to a W series.

[Joshstix]

I loved my 510 that I had while I was at Uni but I'd say you need a rack and pinion conversion and some serious rear geometry sorting before it would be as pleasant to drive as an AE86.

It's roughly 69 billion times cooler than an AE86 though so that something I guess . Plus people won't assume yo're a pretensious wanna be drifter wanker like happens all too often to 86 owners.

I'd put the motor in a KE10 or KE15 though if I were you. Or better yet since you guys got them over there a TE27.

[oldeskewltoy]

I loved my 510 that I had while I was at Uni but I'd say you need a rack and pinion conversion and some serious rear geometry sorting before it would be as pleasant to drive as an AE86.

It's roughly 69 billion times cooler than an AE86 though so that something I guess . Plus people won't assume yo're a pretensious wanna be drifter wanker like happens all too often to 86 owners.

I'd put the motor in a KE10 or KE15 though if I were you. Or better yet since you guys got them over there a TE27.

The KE1x, TE2x, cars are just too small for me(6', 250#s, 50" shoulders) The 86 is ok... and I assume the 510 is about the same interior room as an 86 coupe

The car I'm looking at........

http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/214338...-510-sale.html - yes I know this is already powered(KA).... but thats fine... I can finish my engine assembly... get it broken in on a dyno... and then look to transplant it. Hopefully with a 6 speed from a Miata behind the 4AG........ All in an updated 510.... At least thats the working premise right now.......

[thechuckster]

i think you'll find the nissan motor more fun than the 4age - it (the 4age) wont have the torque of the datto motor and that's what makes these car so much fun

[oldcorollas]

were 510's made from rust in the US as well?

hmm 180BSSS... stanza SSS?

for a 10 or 15, just need to lower seat, move it a bit toward middle of car, and lengthen steering column when you do the rack and pinion conversion

[oldeskewltoy]

were 510's made from rust in the US as well?

yep.... well kinda... the east coast USA 510s were....

the west coast cars seem to have been made from something a bit stouter....
quite a few more around on the left USA coast


Chuck.... the 510 I'm looking at.... has a wee bit more torque than a 4AG, L16... or L20....



BUT... just noticing the absence of a wiper motor... AND a place to put a wiper motor!!! Might need some uncustomized work to get the wipers back

[oldeskewltoy]

learned a bit more.....
68 and 69 5dimes had the wiper motor inside the car! Finding one is a VERY difficult task! and once you do... it is usually very expensive! I've been told $200 for a used operable(not rebuilt), in op usually $100!!!! and I've been told there is no such thing as new........

While still negotiating.... this popped up........



A 1983 AE72..... without its old tired 4AC..... just needing a place for this.....





Btw... if you can't make out the cam covers......