Engine Conversion. 2JZ-GE into MS53 Crown

[TheToyman75]

With the Celica out of the Garage for a little while and Dyno day approaching it seemed like as good a time as any to give the Old Wagon a much needed horsepower increase.

Kirsty and I got stuck into last night and 3.5 hours later the old girl was rid of the old 4M goodness and ready for me to relocate the brakes and upgrade the steering before the 2J goes in.

Not much to see yet of course but I'll keep this up to date with the more useful info and pics as we go.

[TheToyman75]

I finally managed to get the first round of Pics up tonight. Kirsty downloaded them all off the camera for me today so they can now be found here:

http://www.toymods.net/~rod/Crowns/50%20Series/MS5x%20Wagons/The%20Chocolate%20Racecar/2JZ-GE%20Conversion/

So far the biggest change has been setting up for the new radiator.

http://www.toymods.net/images/zoom2/SJRSNY/radiator_in_001.jpg

Its from an MX13 Toyota Crona MK II and is a great fit and a factory 3 core :) The revised radiator support panel came up really well and the new rad should be able to handle the new engine with or without a couple of turbo's ;)

The fuel system, brakes, Pwr steering and the engine swap itself. Its all at various preperation stages altho the fuel system is just about in :)

[TheStitt]

The crown in your avatar is that the one from Classiccrown , That was a very nicely built vehicle.


Shit i seen the wrong avatar 55Supras is the one


Yeah that car is from CC dad will get it finished soon. Not as well built as you would think dad is having to finish alot of stuff off and has had to re do quite a few things.


Rod. looking good mate, what accelerator pedal is that it looks very similar to the GA60 pedal I'm using. Surge tank looks good though looks nothing like what we talked about.

why did the rad support have to be cut??

Love the booster in the r/h inner guard you'll get a few so its not boost statements now me thinks, well i did.

Are you running VH40 or 44


Pending how i'm feeling I'll probably come round on sat and supervise the pwr steer etc

[TheToyman75]

Stitt,

The accel peddle is from the SC300 soarer halfcut that the engine came out of. it was an easy enough fit and looks like it should be there.

Booster location works great mate.. Just like you said it would ;). Its a VF40 booster unit. I could have set it in a little bit further but wanted some room for unsheduled love.

The rad support panel was cut because I didn't want to remove the whole front panel and this way its an easy access hole should the engine need to come out and in a few times. Dropping the whole front panel off is such a pita.

The Power steering box went in last night with the modified steering column :)

[gianttomato]

This will be a great conversion Rod.

I see you used an MX13 radiator like in my Crown. I have not had any issues with overheating using it and two 10" thermo fans. As a side note, one of the Landcruisers has a 4 core radiator of the same dimensions.

Before you go too far with the conversion, in particular the steering box, you might want to do a quick test fit of the motor. When I dropped the 2JZGE into the MarkII, the standard manifold actually fouled the steering box. I was always going to get a set of extractors so I was pretty unfussed, but this might be something to check before you go too far if you plan on using the standard exhaust manifolds. The 1JZGE exhaust manifold (single piece jobbie like a 5/6/7MGE one) is slightly lower profile and might give you the clearance you need (if you need any).

Will you be keeping it column shift?

[CLG]

Yep watching this one with anticipation Rod Baby! It's always good to let someone else go forth and make the mistakes/hard decisions before you attempt it yourself - I trust you'll be keeping it column auto too, I want details on what works, and what doesn't?!

[TheStitt]

Clint GT

I believe that the column shift is going.

[gianttomato]

Soft!
If you end up wanting to keep it, then I have pics to show you how I did it.

[TheToyman75]

GT,

Thanks for the heads up on the stearing box ! I was going to bug you and Ed on what sort of headers were available actually as I was hopeing to ditch the factory ones for something that works (And fits). If push comes to shove I'll get them made.

My old girl was already a 5 speed manual guys so its getting the floor shift. Otherwise a column shift is deffinatly prefered so I could put in a front bech seat. I might hit you up for the how to on that later. For now the plan is to fit the MS65 auto centre console ( It had the MS65 manual console in it before and I personally like it allot better than the MS5x series ones)

Tonight is the test fit so fingers crossed it should all go in ok.

[gianttomato]

In the USA, there are a multitude - Xerd and Toyomoto are two that come to mind. They mostly seem to be 6-2-1. Not sure if any are available in Aus.
The VVTi motor has some beautiful pipes but they stick out even more than the cast manifolds.
Mine were custom jobbies - tuned length and made to clear the box.

[Alchemist]

Xerd seem to be the most common ones around, get pretty decent write ups and don't cost the earth. I've seen them on the Australian ebay for about $500. Also goto www.supraforums.com & .com.au there are alot of odds and ends for the 2JZ there.

Anyway as to the benefits of mine, we'll see come Dyno day :D

[TheToyman75]

Sleep is Overrated ;)

After 2 biggish nights on the old girl the engine and gearbox are actually resting in place on there new mounts. By 1am wed thursday Morning Stitt, Ed, Justin, Mos and I had the gearbox firmly mounted in position and then at 3.55am this morning (Friday) the engine crane came away and against all odds (And Ed's welding ;) ) the engine and gearbox stayed where we wanted it :) Some minor tweaking and the first major step is done.

A huge thanks to Mos, Josh, Bigworm and Dav who hooked in for the late night effort to get the engine mounted this side of Xmas :)

I'll get some updated pics up into the Gallery soon but for now this is how she sits right now :)

http://www.toymods.org.au/~rod/Crowns/50%20Series/MS5x%20Wagons/Rods%201970%20MS53%20-%20Manual/2JZGE%20on%20mounts.jpg

I'll hook back into it after Xmas so I can spend the next few days letting Kirsty and the boys remember what I look like.

[Alchemist]

Looks awesome Rod, you are going to have some fun with that engine in there :)

[Nitephyre]

damn, that's gunna haul arse mate... can't wait to see this one finished :)

oh, and I love your plates :)

[takai]

Love your work there mate. If the 7M goes in the Cressy thats looking more and more like a viable thing to do :), i like it a lot.

[ed_jza80]

(And Ed's welding ;) )

oi!! :cool: :cool:

[gianttomato]

Nice work lads. Expecting more pics soon. Did you try fitting up the exhaust manifolds?

[BlackSupra]

Nice work lads. Expecting more pics soon. Did you try fitting up the exhaust manifolds?

The rear one fouled the steering box, but only just!

Mos was hell bent on trying to fit it back up after the engine was in place but it just wouldn't work.

I guess that leaves rod no excuse, but to get some horn extractors.

[clubagreenie]

oi!! :cool: :cool:
I've seen your welding :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Stitt loves the 2J:D

[gianttomato]

Bummer:( I'll lend a 1JZGE manifold to see if that clears the steering box - all I'd want is for it to come back and some pics of it in place. How much clearance do you need to pass engineering again?

That guy in Japan had a 1JZGE in his 50 series wagon but thinking about it a little more, I think his wagon might have been LHD negating all these issues anyway!

Also if you're concerned about the exhaust being so close to the power steering box (and transmitting unwanted heat), then look no further than a Magna auto trans cooler for a beaut little power steering fluid cooler. You could also use one of the bigger Crown engine oil coolers. Of course, plumb it into the low pressure (return) side...:)

[TheToyman75]

GT,

Happy to test fit the 1JZ manifold for you if you like. I have had flanges cut and just need to get manifolds made.

Hopefully between Xmas and new years I'll get some time to get it closer, I really am pushing hard to get it at Dyno day. Just a bugger of a tme of year as so many places are shut.

The clutch fan didn't fit so I will be using thermo fans, biggest hassel otherwise will be a/c lines and power steering lines. Oh and having to relocate the dipstick ! Bloody thing is under the engine mount. radiator lines should be ok, not great but ok.

[gianttomato]

Oh and having to relocate the dipstick ! Bloody thing is under the engine mount.
LOL...yes I forgot about that! Took me a day to sort that out. I bought a hollow brass fitting, tapped it into the aluminium sump in a convenient place, then tapped some aluminium tubing into it. Then I adjusted the length of the tubing by cutting bits of it off at the top. I also had to cut a small bit of the baffle plate so the dipstick could actually get into the pan. It was an absolute bugger! Much swearing.

As for radiator hoses, I used a Datsun 200B top hose for the top and an XA/XB V8 (I think top from memory) radiator hose for the bottom on the MX23 - same engine, same radiator so a decent starting place anyway. The XA/XB hose is a little big but with some decent hose clamps everything is happy - no leaks on race day. Not sure where the heater oulets are on the 50 series so I won't offer any advice there.

PS lines are easy - I just had a big ass line (was about 180cm long) made to run from the pump to the box across the front of the car. Make sure they incorporate a swivel joint for you so that you don't have to worry about how the ends align. The return is easy.

Food for thought anyway. Enjoy Xmas!

[TheToyman75]

Gallery has been updated. :)

I was going to use the MS65 engine oil cooler as the auto cooler, that should be a no brainer really. The dip stick mod I am very much not looking forward to.

[ed_jza80]

I've seen your welding :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


:eek: :eek: :eek:

http://www.toymods.net/images/zoom2/SJRSNY/gearbox_mount_003.jpg

[clubagreenie]

/ban ed welding :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Alchemist]

Looking brilliant guys, this is a good write up, I'll keep checking it out!

[TheToyman75]

A quick update before I forget things.

Speedo drive :) The auto gearbox on mine of course had an electronic speedo sensor (Engine package was from a 1994 JZZ31) which didn't work to well with the hitec 1970 issue speedo.

As usual it was Mos to the rescue ;) An RA28 W50 Speedo drive is a straight bolt in fit, same size gear and teeth count as the JZZ31 Auto :)

A 1JZ-GE exhaust manifold is on its way from Melb to try and get me out of trouble with the headers in time form Dyno Day. No idea if it will fit but seemed like the only possible option.

Mos and I started on the mission to get it to start at 11.30 am on Sat morning. Josh dropped over not long after and we all hooked in till around 2am this morning. Josh had to bail but finally at 1pm this afternoon the old girl fired in anger :) Not finished mind you but it runs :) After an all nighter it was a beautiful sound (angry with no pipes, But) music to the ears

New pics on there way soon. :)

[TheToyman75]

It was another sleepless night with plenty of headaches but the wagon is alive and will be at Dyno day 12 ! :)


This will be a great conversion Rod.

Before you go too far with the conversion, in particular the steering box, you might want to do a quick test fit of the motor. When I dropped the 2JZGE into the MarkII, the standard manifold actually fouled the steering box. I was always going to get a set of extractors so I was pretty unfussed, but this might be something to check before you go too far if you plan on using the standard exhaust manifolds. The 1JZGE exhaust manifold (single piece jobbie like a 5/6/7MGE one) is slightly lower profile and might give you the clearance you need (if you need any).



GT,

I didn't bother checking the exhaust clearance when we droppd the engine in as the original plan was always to get a set of custom headers made. With the rush to dyno day I took the plunge and hunted up a 1JZ-GE exhaust manifold. It arrived on friday and with very minimal mods if works a treat, you dead set couldn't have asked for anything better.

The bottom middle two exhaust stud holes were smaller than the others and had to be opened up and to fit it past the steering box easier I removed the rearmost heat shield stud. I could put it back in now its all bolted up, but hey tin snips on the heatshield was quicker ;)

Only has a temperary set of side pipes to get it to Dyno day, no cat and no o2 sensors . I should have the new pipes sorted soon tho. Pics to come soon :)

[gianttomato]

Excellent news! Pics of the 1JZGE manifold in place would be sweet.

And maybe +1 rep? :D LOL

Prediction 125rwkW......

[Alchemist]

Yup, great work to get it going Rod! I reckon maybe more than 125 as it's got no cat...keen to see another 2J in action, actually I reckon this dyno day will see the most 2J's ever...

[gold28]

Crown engine swap - 6 weeks,

Celica engine swap - 6 years.

[Alchemist]

Excellent news! Pics of the 1JZGE manifold in place would be sweet.

And maybe +1 rep? :D LOL

Prediction 125rwkW......

123.5 I think it managed, mighty fine effort, this is a very very tidy install too might I add!

[TheToyman75]

Anthony,

Countless hours, 6 Weeks, 5 Cases of coke, 4 all nighters, and 3 litres of on tap fun. Its no tyre frying demon but it wasn't meant to be. Its a cruiser and I'm stoked with it ! :D

It we hadn't tackled a brake upgrade, power steering conversion, dash refurbishemnt and converted it to an Auto all at the same time I recon we could have had it finished for Xmas. I have to say a really HUGE thanks to the guys and gals who leant a hand. there were many faces who swung buy to help but in particular it was the constant support of Josh, Mos, Dav and Stitt who made it come together so quickly. Far to many sleepless nights and early mornings were spent to make the Dyno Day target.

I still have have to tidy up a few loose ends and get the enginnering side of things finalised but its basically done. I was actually expecting 115 - 118 for the dyno result, its an Auto afterall. I'm very happy with the 123.6kw but of couse the cat will make a little bit of a dent in that when it goes in. Either way its worlds better than the 49.2 kw the old 4M used to make ;)

[gold28]

Was just having a dig mate.

123rwkw should get Kirsty and the kids to the shops quick enough. Whats it like to drive now?

[TheToyman75]

Fuel System

The fuel system was one of the biggest non engine changes so I figure it deserves some detail.

The surge tank pumps and filters are mounted under the rear on the passenger side. The custom made surge tank is 7" high and 4" in diametre. The fittings a 3 x 5/16" and 1 x 1/2" to suit the fuel lines and main pump feed size.

The lift pump is a Carter Gold and is prefiltered by a Ryco carby filter (Z14) it has 5/16 barbs. The main pump is a Bosch 070, (Same pump as a VL turbo), before the pump is a 1/2" inline prefilter. This way both pumps are protected if I collect any dirty fuel. Up in the engine bay is a Z200 EFI filter to keep the smaller shit out of the injectors.

http://www.toymods.net/images/zoom2/SJRSNY/fuel_system_-_pumps_and_filters2.jpg

The return line is plumbed into the factory filler neck. All I need to do now is fit the Charcoal canister and the fuel system is done :)

Auto Cooler - The MS65 engine oil cooler is mounted up front as an Auto transmission cooler and should do the job nicely.

Speaking of cooling, The Top radiator hose is a tight twist so a slightly larger flex hose was purchased and the spring from inside it was slide inside the radiator hose to stop it from kinking or restricting flow.
The thermo fans are triggered by an in radiator switch set to turnthe fans on at 85 deg, buyfittingthe switch at the bottom of the Radiator this seams to work well. The fans themselves are mounted on alloy flat bar and angle. There is a 12" and a 10" fan.

The exhaust manifold as previously mentioned is the 1JZ-GE manifold and fits like a dream

http://www.toymods.net/images/zoom2/SJRSNY/exhaust_manifold_003.jpg

In fact the whole engine has been a really nice fit :)

http://www.toymods.net/images/zoom2/SJRSNY/2jz-ge_all_in.jpg

[CLG]

Do you have a make and part number for the 1/2" filter please Rod?

[TheToyman75]

Was just having a dig mate.

123rwkw should get Kirsty and the kids to the shops quick enough. Whats it like to drive now?

How is it to drive........ Lets just say Kirsty won't b driving it after all ;) The power steering, Auto and the extra ponies has madeit a really sweet cruiser. The brakes get the new master cylinder and bias adjustment next Wed so that should finish off the package really well.

Its no tyre frying demon in fact it doesn't do skids, but its gets off the line nicely and kickdown from cruise is really responsive. I honestly couldn't recommend the 2JZ-GE highly enough if your looking for an N/A engine. Sure its no 1UZ, but its close and it fits !

Best thing about the conversion tho, shut the bonnet and you wouldn't know its in there :) open the bonnet and it looks factory, turn the key and man it growls. ( I will deffinatly need a second exhaust for the engineer lol)

http://www.toymods.net/~rod/Crowns/50%20Series/MS5x%20Wagons/The%20Chocolate%20Racecar/Drivers%20side.jpg

(well if you don't notice the side pipe anyway ;) )

[gold28]

Thumbs up on the side pipe and teh new wheels look mad. They are begging for some whitewalls though.

[CrUZida]

Fans turn on at 85degC? Are you sure?
Isn't the thermostat 82degC?

[gianttomato]

Now that is a fuggen tidy conversion done in good time. 1JZGE manifold is still snug, but I'm glad it got you out of the poo. Thanks for the picture. :)

I have to ask what the airbox is out of?

Mad props on the 124 rwkW!

A modern motor with actual "get-up-and-go" transforms these cars from a clunker to something that's a hoot to drive.

[MS-75]

Excellent.

Now paint that guard and hood Mister.

[Alchemist]

Sure its no 1UZ, but its close and it fits !

It doesn't have the Torque, but I'm sure your 2JZ made more than a 1UZ from last dyno day...and in a striaght line the numbers say in a similar car that the 2JZ is a little quicker, hows it bad(or am I biased...).

[BlackSupra]

It doesn't have the Torque, but I'm sure your 2JZ made more than a 1UZ from last dyno day...and in a striaght line the numbers say in a similar car that the 2JZ is a little quicker, hows it bad(or am I biased...).

In a straight line the numbers say that a 2JZGE MA61 is Line ball (but quicker :cool: ) than a 1UZFE MA70 :p

[gianttomato]

It doesn't have the Torque, but I'm sure your 2JZ made more than a 1UZ from last dyno day...and in a striaght line the numbers say in a similar car that the 2JZ is a little quicker, hows it bad(or am I biased...).
If I'm ever up there on a Wednesday in my Crown, I'll be keen to take it on @ WSID!

[CrUZida]

If I'm ever up there on a Wednesday in my Crown, I'll be keen to take it on @ WSID!
ToyoFest 2006 at the latest.
Take on the mighty Uzzio!

[Alchemist]

ToyoFest 2006 at the latest.
Take on the mighty Uzzio!

Problem is your Uzzio isn't going to be normal....

[Joshstix]

A modern motor with actual "get-up-and-go" transforms these cars from a clunker to something that's a hoot to drive.

It sure does. I've spent a fair bit of time driving this old girl around and while it was cool with the old setup, it's a completely different car now. Mind you I think the wheels tyres and suspension have a lot to do with it but the fact that it get's up and goes now, certainly is a bonus.

She's an awesome cruiser now, and should do a nice job towing around fragile toys when needed.

[TheToyman75]

If I'm ever up there on a Wednesday in my Crown, I'll be keen to take it on @ WSID!

GT,

That would be awesome, maybe if Stitt gets his wagon on the road for Dubbo we could take all 3 out the wednesay after Easter ? I'll put my leave form in now if your up for it ??!!!

I got the brakes finished on Wednesday ( she now sports a nissan Master cylinder and booster from an SR20 powered Wagon of some sort. The change is insane and I couldn't have asked for a better combination. (I also now have somewhere to hide a washer bottle :) )

Thursday night saw Mos wire in the speed sensor and O2 sensors so its almost ready for the engineer and a trip to WSID :) If I can get into the 16s area I will be stoked ! It wasn't built to be quick, thats what the Celica is for.

The whole purpose of the swap was to acheive a good reliable daily driver and tow car. The auto is so smooth its even nice in traffic and as for towing.. I'm told it handles the rental car trailer and a certain diff busting Supra behind it now worries at all. ;)

[TheStitt]

My car will be running at dubbo
I think many all nighters will be done seeing as the body is still 75cm from the ground and the engine has to be rebuilt but I am keen as


As for Rods car. As a tow car, I can't praise it enough. It pulled the supra up Mt Victoria without issue only just started to get hot near the top. It cooled again once the road flatened out and the load was removed.It also pulled up very well down hills. Lock in 2nd and just hover over the brakes. No brake fade whatso eva , having said that I didn't need to use em all that much

Without the trailer it gets up and moves however a manual would make that aspect much better, but alas its a TOW car and it does that very very well,

I'll post pics once image shack is back online

[TheStitt]

As promised sorry bout the dogey phone pic. I'll know to hold it more still on night shots next time

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1420/wtf0038cg.jpg

[TheToyman75]

GT,

Sorry I missed your Question re the airbox, It came out of the JZZ30 Soarer the engine did :)

Sean,

I am off to get the first spray painting quote tomorrow morning (make that later today) and have just finished emailing Toyota to see if I can get any new rubbers for the old girl.

[MS-75]

GT,

Sorry I missed your Question re the airbox, It came out of the JZZ30 Soarer the engine did :)

Sean,

I am off to get the first spray painting quote tomorrow morning (make that later today) and have just finished emailing Toyota to see if I can get any new rubbers for the old girl.

Awesome Rod. It'll look brilliant.

I've just come into posession of a good cond MS123 (with boat anchor 5M), and the 2j idea is growing on me by the day......

On the rubbers-have you tried the Rising Sun Collectors Register? Or perhaps some of the places in Japland that have MS-5x gear?

[TheToyman75]

Sean,

I am actually a member of the Rising Sun Collectors Register and Allan Taylor is looking at what is available. He thinks he can get door rubbers that will work. Not the right ones of course but ones that work ok.

I have checked NZ and Japan as well as here of course and so far my only glimer of hope is ex the USA. Hope to here back soon from a friend of Kirsty's who is hunting for me over there. Even the Crown Classics in Japan doesn't have genuine rubbers.

The new colour will be a tad on the boring side but I like it. The Kandy Pearl I picked is just to many $$$ buy and to spray to justfy for a daily driver. With that in mind its being sprayed Subaru Atlantic Blue and is booked in for Feb 18th.

[TheToyman75]

Woops. Looks like I forgo5t the final results of the conversion. Here is the Dyno Graph from Dyno Day 12.

http://www.toymods.net/~rod/Crowns/50%20Series/MS5x%20Wagons/The%20Chocolate%20Racecar/Dyno%20Day%2012%20Graph.jpg

[ViPeR_NiPPleX]

AFR's lookings goood.

[CLG]

Rod, couple of questions, having read both this thread and your member's ride thread:

What style of bushings have you used in the front end - rubber or polyurethane, and any comments either way on them?

What are your current spring and shock selections up front, and what model power steering box have you used? I assume MS65, if so, is this a bolt in and up fitment? How does it drive and steer - any "old world qualms"?

Any pics of your engine mounts and dipstick jobbies?

What radiator hoses did you end up using?

Can you give us a detailed listing of the current braking system and your thoughts on it's performance?

More questions to follow!

[TheToyman75]

Rod, couple of questions, having read both this thread and your member's ride thread:

Talk about stretchING the memory mate ;)

What style of bushings have you used in the front end - rubber or polyurethane, and any comments either way on them?

I used polyurethane bushes all round mate. I am actually quite happy with the ride quality compared to the tragic boatyness it had before it was replaced. The springs and shocks were al ldone at the same time. They are nothing over the top just king springs and Koni Yellow shocks. Front sway bar is a white line item and the rear adjustable panhard rod was fromthem as well.

What are your current spring and shock selections up front, and what model power steering box have you used? I assume MS65, if so, is this a bolt in and up fitment? How does it drive and steer - any "old world qualms"?

The power steering upgrade is quite nice, if anything its a tad sensetive becasue I am using the pump off the 2J which runs at a higher pressure than the old MS65 steering box was designed to handle. A restictor in your power steering lines will probably sort this if it bugs you. Since I have a 10" sport wheel on the old girl for increased belly clearance and I tow allot I like it as it is. Fully loaded and at very low speed the power steering is still great and its not too light at high speed. The power steering box install is also pretty simple. You need to use the MS5x series Pitman and idler arms and the MS5x series drag link. The MS65 power steering box will bolt straight upto the chassis and the MS5x series pitman arm goes straight onto the bottom of the box. The steering column needs some love tho. The very bottom part of the MS65 shaft needs to be fitted inside the bottom of the MS5x shaft. This requires the shaft to be stripped and you may get creative with the reassembly ;) it actually wasdn't as bad a job as i was expecting.

Any pics of your engine mounts and dipstick jobbies?

Engine mount pics I will have, I have the whole conversion up in the gallery that crashed so I wil get them all back online

What radiator hoses did you end up using?

Crap, can't remember. I'll let you know when it comes to me.

Can you give us a detailed listing of the current braking system and your thoughts on it's performance?

The braking system is awesome compared to stock BUT it still needs some work. The rears are stock MS112 rear disc brakes and callipers with the stock handbrake cable. one of the handbrake cable mounts should be moved (I haven't done it yet)

The front brakes are MS65 hubs on either MS123 stub axels or MS65 series 2 stub axles. I had so many different options happening but I am 95% sure we ended up with the MS123 ones to help clear the rims/tyres but still use the bigger ball joints from the MS65. From memory the MS65 ball joint location sat about 5-10mm closer to the tyre which was to close with 16" rims. 17" should clear it no worries.

The front callipers are HZ 1 tonner Girlock items (the PBR ones fit better but use smaller pads - the Girlock callipers required some gentle clearancing) and the rotors are also holden items - DBA part number DBA 4014USR and DAB4014USL for undrilled. Shep from Classic Crown has the right up on his sight with pics and everything on how to put em together. The booster and master Cylinder is a random unit off a 4WD SR20 powered nissan wagon. Thats all I know :( The brake lines were all redone with braided lines and it just needs a slight bias adjustment to be perfect. Unladen the rears lock up to late for my liking.

More questions to follow!

Any time mate.

Rod.

[CLG]

Coolio! Just to be pushy:

I read you used a mixture of bushes in the car, care to list model and part number specifics please? One of my main thoughts is to reduce/eliminate the oldworld feel of the steering and suspension setup, I too am trying to avoid the land boat feel, most older style cars have, ..., oh yeah, and I want it low!

As I haven't pulled either a 5x or 6x steering column apart - yet, are they both collapsable, and therefore is it simply a matter of sliding the later foot onto the earlier column, or more invovled?

I assume your front rotors required some love to suit the 5x114.3 PCD, or are they easily available blank (must admit, haven't even bothered looking into this yet - I've got a set of MS123 front suspension, I was going to look at retrofitting for simplicity, vented front brakes and possibly, easier servicing - I assume I wont have the wheel clearance issues you had, if I choose this path - rear brakes will be standard rebuilt MS112 items for my car).

Any info on "factory" stub axles that may lower the ride height? A pseudo drop spindle if you will - would be nice to find a 2" lower item, but then again, so a would a money and time tree!

[TheToyman75]

Hook me up for one of the those money and time tress, they sound exactly like what I am after, better make it a couple of them actually ;)

I put the part numbers for the rotors I used into the post above when I edited it. I actually bought blank rotors off the shelf and had them redrilled ot suit the 4 x 114.3. From memory where the inner seal goes was machined to take the MS65 inner seal and a few mm was taken off the hieght. Hopefully shep will clarify it all for me as its been a while and his site appears to be down. (I knew I should have written it all down)

Yeah mate basically it is just fitting the later foot into the early column as the power steering box sits higher so has a shorter foot. when you look at em both together its clear as day what the difference is.

No idea on any sort of drop spindle option :( I tried allot of stub axles before I settled onthe MS123 items. From memory the only differences betweenthe MS65 series 1 & 2 was the ball joint size (the small size is unobtainium so use series 2 ones) The MS112 items were tried as were the MS123. I chose the ones that brought the ball joint in the furthest so I could fit the wider rims and tyres. From memory the MS112 items cleared the callipers awesomely, but the tyres hit the ball joint. It was kinda 4am at the time and it was the sat before Dyno day so its all a bit Vauge. Stitt or Josh may remember it clearer.

[Joshstix]

HAHA all I remember from the whole steering arm/hub situation was that it was an absolute debarcle highlighted by parts that plainly weren't what they were sold as. From memory it was the MS65 hubs and MS123 steering arms suitably clearanced to allow the alloy HZ calipers to fit.

From memory for the other questions the bottom radiator hose is off an MX83.

[TheToyman75]

HAHA all I remember from the whole steering arm/hub situation was that it was an absolute debarcle highlighted by parts that plainly weren't what they were sold as. From memory it was the MS65 hubs and MS123 steering arms suitably clearanced to allow the alloy HZ calipers to fit.

From memory for the other questions the bottom radiator hose is off an MX83.

I clearly remember the first parts we fitted were not what I paid for lol, and I am pretty sure i remember the sun coming up as Stitt and I stipped a front end in his back yard that was convieniently available after we discovered the wheels didn't fit on at around 5am :eek:

Ahh the fun of engine conversions for a deadline. So when are we starting on the MK II Again ?

[gianttomato]

So when are we starting on the MK II Again ?You bitches better be putting a VVTi 1JZ into that!:D

[TheToyman75]

Clint,

My conversion pics are all back online now and can be found here (http://www.toymods.net/~rod/Crowns/50%20Series/MS5x%20Wagons/Rods%201970%20MS53%20-%20Manual/2JZ-GE%20Conversion/).

If there is anything else you want to see in detail just let me know.


Dave,

Another less than a VVTI 1J would be a waste of an awesome Corona so I am sure sanity will prevail.

[The Real Roadrunner]

Clint,
If there is anything else you want to see in detail just let me know.

is this car specific? if not clint might have several requests:p

[TheToyman75]

is this car specific? if not clint might have several requests:p

Clint already knows I am open minded and like to share :rolleyes:

[CLG]

Dog mentality, dudes - any attention is good attention!

[CLG]

next question - do you have the part number for your ECU please Rod? No traction Control butterfly also I notice - lucky bugger!

[TheToyman75]

Clint,

The ECU part number will take a bit of getting too. Its hard mountd above the glove box.

However, how about the chassis number off the half cut ;) I'll send you a PM :)

[takai]

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5620/dsc00212tg9.jpg
That what you are after? I have the MT and AT ECUs. Will PM you Clint.