3VZ-FE V6 into SW20 MR2 (56k be warned!)

[Jaemus]

hey everyone, ive been lurking on toymods for ages, but i figure that since ive got a project going, it might be time for me to make a thread about it, and bring it back home to oz, cos ive been blogging it on the UK based http://forums.twobrutal.com, since those crazy brits have been there and done it many times, and theyre a bit more sociable than the americans on mr2board and mr2oc.

so, heres the rundown!

donor motor: 1996 3VZ-FE with 140,000k's, ex VDV10 Camry,
- which is a 3.0L quad cam V6, iron block, alloy heads, ~150kw with massive torque and JZ / UZ like tough internals. also found in the early lexus ES300, superseded by the all alloy but difficult to tune 1MZ-FE

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/IMGP0462.jpg

the motor, as i purchased it

target vehicle: 1990 SW20 MR2, aus delivered, 3SGE gen2, 260,000ks.

duration: motor picked up end of december, so 9-10 weeks so far.

target completion time: my rego expires completely on 20/3. so im hoping to get it done before then to avoid hassles.

workers: entirely DIY, done by myself, with moral support and occasional assitance from mates. the mount (see below) was outsourced, as will be the exhaust, but hopefully thats it. im always happy to have someone lend a hand however!

mounting: the 3VZ, due to its camry heritage and the S series as the camry's other motor, fits into all but one of the 3S-GE mounts. the mount that has to be fabricated is the timing belt side engine mount. i had this made up by one of the twobrutal guys in thick mild steel, and shipped over.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/4v6.jpg

gearbox: the 3VZ bolts directly to the 3SGE's NA gearbox. naturally, it works just as well with the turbo box, which would obviously be preferable, but im not going to that extent just yet. the S54 should deal with the v6 as the power delivery is smoother than the 3SGTE, and if it dies and i cant afford an E153 conversion, then another S54 can be had for peanuts.

flywheel: this is one of the more regrettable drawbacks. you can use an OEM 3VZ manual fly, 1MZ fly, fidanza make alloy 1MZ lightweight flys, or a modified 3VZ-E fly. however all of these cost more than what elongating the holes on my 3SGE fly will, so thats what im doing. if it all goes to hell, then ill deal with it later, and the experience will be useful to others attempting this swap. and yes, it has been done, and no, it hasnt caused any problems yet.

ECU: unfortunately all i have at the moment is a A/T 1993 ecu, this will theoretically only give me a 180hp tune versus the 1996 spec 200hp. hopefully i can source a 1996 one by the time it gets wired up. being A/T isnt a problem as this ECU is relatively placid with its requirements for sensors and solenoids and whatnot.

fitment: the 3VZ fits into the mk2 bay with plenty of room to spare. as you can imagine its shorter than the 3S, so theres lots of extra space on the timing belt side. the 60' heads occupy a bit more space front and back, and getting to the rear bank plugs will be difficult (ill be using some sort of platinum plugs for this reason), but its not impossible. heightwise its much the same, a little taller, im not sure if it will foul the stock strut brace, but aftermarket ones will fit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/fimmo/bf6enginelh.jpg
UK car with 3VZ swap completed.

piping: the throttle cable is a simple fit. the cooling system is plug and play with some longer hoses, aircon CAN be made to fit but you cant use the 3S compressor as the pulleys are different. fuel system is the same type, everything else is pretty simple.

tacho: the camry tach board fits into the mr2 cluster to convert it to 6cyl. the sweep of the camry tacho face is almost identical, the result is a near perfect tacho.

cost: the motor, with chopped loom, no ECU and various small items missing, cost me $800 second hand, with 140,000 as mentioned. the prev owner supsected the rear bank HG, turns out he was right.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/lhcyls.jpg
BHG

so far i have spent a few hundred on misc stuff, including tools and a full gasket set, and alot of that was geniune toyota. im aiming to get it all running, hopefully for less than a good 3SGTE conversion would have cost, and think about improving it later.

HG's: HG's are a known shitter, as originals. the up to date replacement gaskets are fine if you torque it down extra tight, as i have done, double the toyota spec, is just perfect for this motor.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/IMGP0505.jpg
gasket set i purchased from ebay

potential: being an F type head style, there is major gains to be had from porting and valve work. i skipped this however, as mentioned above. also, the camry exhaust is massively long and crushes down to silly small sizes and has baffle plates in it, just for fun. simply fabricating some nice downpipes will free up (reportedly) 20bhp, also due to the much shorter MR2 exhaust system, and i will be doing this for my stage 1. there are people in the states working on NA cams, valve springs (valves are stainless) and other NA tuning goodies. 3SGTE shimless buckets will drop in for revs higher than 6500. also they are developing cams and other stuff for turbo applications.
as far as forced induction goes, it had a very low stock CR at 9.5:1, making it good for running some boost without detonation. the advantage then, is that it retains pretty stock driveability off-boost. it is said, and proven in the US, that it is good for 12psi at this CR with a good IC setup and tuning. it is also easy to stick a turbo off the exhaust y-pipe, and there is a bolt-on TRD supercharger (for the 1MZ) that fits, but cant be intercooled and is expensive and rare. im toying with the idea of a couple of SC14's, just for something different.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4060533678601632680 - supercharged with TRD charger, playing in a tunnel

in standard trim, its just behind the 3SGTE in terms of peak stock power, but all over it in under-the-curve torque and power.
weight is similar to the 3SGTE.
and it will sound awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_PkswoXMx0&mode=related&search= - 3VZ NA runs up to 3rd gear, with good sound

thats about all i can think about atm, so heres some photos to get you up to where im up to now, which is getting the last few accessories and wiring together on the 3VZ before i start stripping the 3S out of the MR2.

[Jaemus]

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/wshop1.jpg
this is how much space i have... but i have my own crane :)

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/camsout.jpg
cams out

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/IMGP0012.jpg
cleaning and painting

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/blockfacewip.jpg
cleaning the block faces

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/cleaning.jpg
cleaning the crankcase

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/hgson.jpg
new HG's

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/me.jpg
heads back on

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/cammy.jpg
cams cleaned and ready to go back in

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/camsin.jpg
cams back in

[Jaemus]

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/coverson.jpg
valve covers back on

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/belton.jpg
timing belt and pulleys, heat sheilds back on

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/covermount.jpg
new mount and timing belt cover back on

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/intakerails.jpg
intake manifold and fuel rails back on

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/yeah.jpg
wiring, v-bank cover and intake chamber on

and thats pretty much up to date, since then i have painted the throttle body black, and put the alternator and water inlet back on with a new thermostat. once i get the TB on there, ill be pretty much done with prepping the v6!

id love to have comments and questions.

im on MSN at jaemus@hotmail.com if you want to go it IM styles!

cheers toymods ppls

[jfallen]

Looking good, pity about the chopped loom.

If you've got the time and resources bring it to Toyonats over easter at Dubbo.

Keep up the good work
Jordan

[Cuts]

respect dude, nice work. Ill be keen to see how it goes, hhmm 3vz/1mz 205 anyone :P

[Jaemus]

its been done, 3VZ-FE with an ST185, using some RAV4 drivetrain components, iirc

[JustenGT8]

1MZ is the go. The prob is that with the RAV centre diff you have seriously compromised your driveline strength. I reckon the alloy block on the MZ could be 'clearanced' so you could still use the GT4 diff but this is just my educated guess and needs verifying.

Nice work Jaemus, should be a ball tearer. The iron block definitely has strength on it's side.

[Jaemus]

heres an extract from the guy who got the 3VZ-FE working in his ST185:

The gearbox comes from our old friend, the Rav4-vintage circa 2003, as does its transfer case.
The transfer is internally identical to the lexus rx300 unit i bought but the outside, although similar, dosent share the same bolt patterns, so it couldnt be used.
Not only that, the lexus rx transfer was only ever fitted to the automatic box, there was never a manual option.
The rav box is almost bolt for bolt compatible but even it wont go on the V6 without a struggle. Its angle grinder time! I love it!
Anyway, after much ado it will go on the 3vz-fe with a struggle.
I suspect that itll fit the 1mz-fe as is cos the lexus rx used the 1mz with the similar rav 4 transfer case attached and no clearance issues there.

Only have to source a "tripod" style inner osf cv joint and its all wheels driven!

Other issues that need to be addressed are the ratios; The ravs geared for 115 in 5th...not good for motorway cruising methinks, but since the alltrac/gt4 and rav boxes are almost physically identical its possible in about an hour to swap the 5th gear clusters off the gt4 and into the ravbox giving around 130 top end...better but still not reallly good enuff methinks.
The solution is an overdrive 5th of around 0.55/065:1 to give a top speed (theoretical) 160/170.....cor!

so yeah. id want to use a 1MZ in a GT4 too, you need to get the weight down! lol. its just that their a bit trickier to tune unless you want to go standalone, not as great for boost, and arent so strong, but they do have more stock power and newer tech bits like coil-on-plug etc. later ones have VVTi also.

the 3VZ should be good for some boost, once i get the stage-1 initial install make-it-work phase complete. thats another reason i didnt go nuts with headwork, cos boost will nullify alot of the effects.

thanks justen! im not sure ill be able to get to dubbo but ill be at the next toymods event that i can, once its done.

[barned01]

fantastic work
curiously can you chuck the engine on some scales and get an exact weight, I can only get 'reported' weights, would be great to know for other conversions (ra40 celica for instance...)

[AndyTTR]

nice work man, +1 for going out on a limb and doing something different. Good luck with the rest of the build, looking forward to seeing results!

[Jaemus]

thanks andy and barned, all i can tell you so far is that it flattened a 100kg rating bunnings platform trolley, but that wasnt really suprising

it stood up to the block and heads alone, but all the crap and the intake squished it into the floor

anyway ill try and get a more scientific measurement before it goes in

[mtp_69_i]

nice thread, I've long considered this as an option for my 162. Keep us posted.

[-==L=a=N=c=E==-]

its like the NSX, but Toyota Style.

All you need is more revs and vtec y0.

[Course_Out]

Thats the coolest thing I've ever seen, absolutely love it mate!

[Jaemus]

thanks guys!

lance: hehe the thought crossed my mind. moreso if i paint the turret black :) hopefully with some effort later on, i can get it making NSX like power...

[gianttomato]

Nice work dude.

One question though - who cuts your hair?
http://home.exetel.com.au/jaemus/mr2swap/me.jpg

[Jaemus]

no one! :D

[The Witzl]

GT - i think you are thinking what i am thinking...


.... is Jaemus related to Cambelt??

[Levos1]

YEAh!
Nice man!
This is loookin Piampin!!!
Its amazing what a splash of paint will do on the donk hey!! makes it look brand new!
Love it!!!

I wanna go for a ride in it!

[Senor_2]

As I've said to you before, awesome stuff, make sure you keep us all updated!

[Jaemus]

okay, the 3SGE is ready to come out, just need to get the axles out of the gearbox and remove some suspension components.

the only things i have left to do with the V6 is find two o2 sensors, and an oil sender, as the orginal one is broken. the o2 sensors werent supplied.

from what ive read, i can re-use the 4-wire 3SGE sensor in the 2-wire setup on the V6, if i dodgy up the plugs. apparently it will work if the heater wires arent connected. thoughts?

so this leaves me with one more to find. does anyone have a spare 2-wire or 4-wire o2 sensor?

i already went to pick and payless but there wasnt much there i could get to easily, or that was the right type. seems toyota o2 sensors are different shaped to every other make of car they have there...

also i beleive i can reuse the 3SGE oil sender too, so thats no drama, as long as it fits.

[Senor_2]

Pretty sure I have a spare 4 wire sensor from my old 3S if that would do the job

[MR 1JZ]

this is awesome...dude you built your engine on the floor :D

I built my 1J on the floor...it gets extra rep that way ;)

[Jaemus]

hehe yeh, on the floor in an old tyre, and then on a platform trolley, which it crushed :D

[Timma]

This is awesome! exhaust note shall be heavenly when driving. Not sure on this one, but you are using the mr2 e153 gearbox correct? I've heard this has shorter gear ratios in comparison to the camry e153, should make it quite fun to drive if so

[Jaemus]

update!

today i finally got the 3SGE out.

started at 11 am

this involved having to buy a 32mm deep socket, which was great for the passenger side axel nut, but as it tuned out the driver side was a 30mm. even had a different diameter thread on the axel. how intensely irritating!

anyway got the hubs off, axels (eventually yanked) out of the box, and the crossmember down.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/axlesandmemberout.jpg

after unbolting the mounts, the motor was ready to drop! (to get from taking the wheels off to this stage took about 8 hours, since this is all new to me) :)

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/readytodrop.jpg

and with alot of shoving about it was down on the ground, with no collateral damage.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/lifty1.jpg

and with the crane holding the car up, :D

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/lifty2.jpg

dragged the fucker away

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/evicted.jpg

and the obligatory shots! at this point it was 10.30pm

me

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/me2.jpg

[Rallystanza]

Hahah that last pic, "look at me, the frenchman, I seem to have been stuck between a man and a firewall!"

First thing that came to mind.

[hamgatan]

http://home.exetel.com.au/jaemus/mr2swap/me2.jpg

OOMPA LOOMPA DOOMPADEE DOO.. :p

seriously nice work on doin a 'different' W20 V6 conversion.. so many writeups about 1MZ's.. not enough VZ series writeups :)

[-==L=a=N=c=E==-]

Hahah that last pic, "look at me, the frenchman, I seem to have been stuck between a man and a firewall!"

First thing that came to mind.



Ahahahahaha, took the words right outta my mouth.

Brilliant work so far. Although an observation, did you have the front wheel chocked at all?

[Jaemus]

thanks guys! im excited now, cos it should be all downhill from here! :cool:

lance: hehe yes. you just cant see it. that very dangerous part of the operation went more smoothly than i anticipated actually. :D

[Cuts]

good work man, i rate it highly

[djcougar]

looking good jaemus!! can't wait to see this running :P

[Jaemus]

cheers all!

in other news, i have the gearbox off, clutch looks in VGC but i may replace it anyway, with a better one, and the flywheel also good but the bolts are of course being bastids, so im working on that, then its off to be redrilled and machined, and then NOTHING CAN STOP MEH!!! *thunder / lightning

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/boxclutch.jpg

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/fly.jpg

[Ashe]

What are the dimensions on the 3SGE? (I.e. If you were going to build a square box with the 3SGE and transmission inside what is the smallest the box could be?)

[hamgatan]

S54 box size is about 60m long, 50mm wide and 40mm high.. weighs 46kg ...not sure about the engine

[Ashe]

I'm not very good at metric but I know an inch is 25mm, so the S54 is less than 2 Inches high? Or did you mean 40cm high? that would be about 16 inches high which makes more sense.

[TA-022]

S54 box size is about 600mm long, 500mm wide and 400mm high.. weighs 46kg ...not sure about the engine

im a small man with only 20mm


fixed fo joos :p :cool:

[tricky]

Nice work! It's a very cool conversion, and it's nice to see someone's conversion going so quickly.

[wagonist]

What year model was your motor again?
I've been looking at doing a V6 conversion for years now.

Any idea whether the standard MR2 timing belt engine mount is the same as the front engined models (ie would that custom mount fit into a Celica for example)?

Also curious to know how far out the inlet manifolds sticks out relative to where the original 3S one did.
I think I'm going to have clutch master clearance issues with a V6 in my car.

Keep up the good work & I'm looking forward to seeing it.

[Timma]

donor motor: 1996 3VZ-FE with 140,000k's, ex VDV10 Camry,
- which is a 3.0L quad cam V6, iron block, alloy heads, ~150kw with massive torque and JZ / UZ like tough internals. also found in the early lexus ES300, superseded by the all alloy but difficult to tune 1MZ-FE

3vzfe camry motor in Australia and New Zealand came out between 1992 to 1996. They also uprated the power output I believe in 1994, from (138kw to 149kw claimed) so he has one of the later spec motors.

[hamgatan]

fixed fo joos :p :cool:

oh crapz0r...good spot!! :p

[wagonist]

Yeah, thought so, but I thought the 1MZ came out earlier than that.
My car is a 96, so to be legal in NSW, its easier to have a motor that's same age or newer.

[hamgatan]

i didn't think the 1MZ was ever in an Australian Camry.... i thought Avalon only??

[Timma]

The 1mzfe did come out earlier than that in 1994, its just that we didn't get them in Australia until later in the generation 4 camry in 1997. The avalon was released in 2000 and also had the 1mzfe.

[Jaemus]

3vzfe camry motor in Australia and New Zealand came out between 1992 to 1996. They also uprated the power output I believe in 1994, from (138kw to 149kw claimed) so he has one of the later spec motors.

timma is quite correct. i also owned said camry, with a manual box, and decent 215 wide tyres, it was a constant struggle for traction. but thats FF for you i guess.

What year model was your motor again?
I've been looking at doing a V6 conversion for years now.

Any idea whether the standard MR2 timing belt engine mount is the same as the front engined models (ie would that custom mount fit into a Celica for example)?

Also curious to know how far out the inlet manifolds sticks out relative to where the original 3S one did.
I think I'm going to have clutch master clearance issues with a V6 in my car.

Keep up the good work & I'm looking forward to seeing it.

i have a '96, from a camry. its also in the early ES300 i beleive.

however, at the moment i only have a 93 ECU. the only difference between the 138 and 149kw versions is mapping, so im down on power till i can find the right one / replace with standalone.

the mount i *believe* also drops right in for the celica (ST185, so likely therefore all S series celicas), i will check with the bloke who made it for me, who was incidentally also the guy wo DID get a 3VZ into an ST185, with 4WD intact (see page 1, post #8). not too sure about other cars but its likely to work or require little in the way of modification.

the inlet manifold i cant really say yet, i would say it sits back pretty well in the same spot, as the 3SGE one really only has enough clearance to the rear firewall to account for engine movement, so it cant be any further back than that or people would have reported problems. that said they usually polybush the torque mounts, but hey. we will see, and i will let you know.

hope you can work out the clutch master issues, maybe rig up a mechanical system to relocate the master to a clear spot?

cheers everyone!

[Jaemus]

gentlemen!

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/boxon.jpg

6:52pm, with the gearbox on, the motor was ready for shoving under the car and lifting in!

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/in1.jpg

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/in2.jpg

and 12:10am - the engine is in and sitting on it's two outside mounts! as best i can tell, this is a first for australia!

[AndyTTR]

im am both impressed and aroused. :D

[Timma]

Hotness! come to melbourne to give us a ride when its done hehe, Well done man!

[JetspeedCamry]

Top Effort!! Go the V6's! And yeah come and give me and Timma a ride when your in Melb!

[Javal]

Hoorah! Excellent work man, i've just read the whole build up. Very impressive.

Quick question, though: How high will these motors rev stock / warmed over?

Josh

[JetspeedCamry]

Hoorah! Excellent work man, i've just read the whole build up. Very impressive.

Quick question, though: How high will these motors rev stock / warmed over?

Josh

About 6850RPM

[Jaemus]

yup, they cut fuel at 7200.

also, even on stock stock valve springs, they wont float even above that, so with cams they can be made to rev much higher. im not keeping up with the US boards but there are a number ppl on there who were planning to take it to 9k, at least last time i checked.

[blakeg]

good effort dude.. very impressed :).. you spoken to a engineer about it ? what was his take on brakes ect

[BlackSupra]

This is very cool.

Surprised i havent seen this before.

Would be very fun drive on the old pac :)

Oh and definetly a long lost brother of Cambelt :eek: :D

http://members.optusnet.com.au/corona2jzge/Crown%20V8%20conversion/In%20place/4CrownV8.jpg

http://home.exetel.com.au/jaemus/mr2swap/me.jpg

BROTHERS!

[Jaemus]

thanks dude

no, not yet, i dont imagine brakes will be an issue at this stage, as the car will put out slightly less power than a '90 turbo, and '90 turbo's and '90 aussie N/As have the same brakes.

[Jaemus]

blacksupra: cheers! maybe u havent seen it cos this section seems to have very little exposure to the whole board for some reason

haha yeh that may be but i have since got a haircut!

[Jaemus]

- got the driveshafts back in - found they wouldnt go unless you do the long one first, then the small one goes in easily... odd? or just me
- crossmember back on, all engine mounts now torqued up
- hubs are both back on, everything torqued except hub-strut bolts, as my torque wrench doesnt go that high. ill take it by the tyre shop down the road when im done.
- brakes reassembled
- heater hoses on
- lower coolant hose sorted (i chopped up the 90' one that was already on that side of the motor, took a few inches off either end and it was perfect to plug straight into the motor
- upper coolant hose nearly done, ive turned the pipe at the bottom of the car around a bit so that it points up to the right, then chopped the U shaped bit off the end of the hard pipe that normally runs up around the firewall behind the airbox. then attached that to (atm) the long pipe it was orignally attached to, and run it up infront of the alternator. however this is too narrow to get onto the inlet where the cap is. have to figure something here, maybe a new hose to replace it or a short piece of hard pipe in between the inlet and that hose.

throttle cable: i noted that the rear brake cable on my pushbike will be long enough to work if i take it under the cam cover... hehe... it has the advantage of having mounting nuts on both ends, unlike the universal kit i bought, however one end still lacks a lug, so i may yet have to use the clamp bolt that came with said kit to join a lug end to it, so that i can get onto the cruise box.

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update:

- upper coolant hose finished, went and bought a similar shaped one in a larger size diameter, all hooked up with padding where it rubs things and new clamps
- fuel return done, new hose with new clamps
- fuel feed done, cut the 3S flared bit on an angle as discussed on Oohmatron's thread, yoinked off the 3S feed line, cut the 3VZ flared bit the same, removed shred of remaining fuel hose, popped 3S hose on, crimped it with crimp type clamps (of doom!) and with the fuel filter moved to the top of its bracket the 3S hose reaches with plenty of slack to spare, so no need to change the hose and bugger around with the banjo bolt end. bonus!
- changed fuel filter
- clutch line back on
- gear linkages back on and working
- speedo drive back on

only one photo here cos most of this stuff is boring anyway:

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/heaterfuelhoses.jpg

and thats it atm, working on getting the coolant bottle back in place with the expansion tube, thats my goal for tonight,

tommorow (unless i do it tonight) i will be bleeding the clutch, putting the radiator back together with fans and a new LHS hose, then tidy up in the engine bay and start wiring!

[matt86sx]

Dude I am in awe.

Will be keenly following future progress, can't wait to see the finished product!

Matt

[mtp_69_i]

and it all comes together. nice work Jaemus.

[Jaemus]

it has breathed its first breath!

official startup 13/3/07 at 7.45pm

afaik, its australia's first V6 MR2, if anyone can prove otherwise please let me know!

its not running properly yet but it fired and ran, and it sounds good!!!

video to come when i get it to run properly :D :D :D

[Timma]

awesome! cannot wait for vids, well done man

[Pure_In_Sanity]

Great work! Looks right at home and i'm sure the exhaust note will put a smile on your face :)

And yeah, need vids!

Cheers
-Phil

[Jaemus]

videos hopefully thurdsay!

and yeh, the exhaust note minus any piping was pretty impressive... but ill get a system made, reportedly its nice and deep and relatively quiet until you open it up then it screams in a fairly exotic manner, or so says the blokes who've done this conversion

[grahamd]

Excellent job - hope it sounds like the UK video you listed at the beginning of this thread.

[Jaemus]

okay, after various wiring and induction issues, it seems to be running more or less smoothly, so a few small jobs, exhaust gets made, testing, engineering and rego, and then its on the road!

ive got a video of it starting and cutting out, but i wont post that up, ill make a proper one now that it runs like it should, stay tuned

[Levos1]

OH MAN!!
Iam so excited......... My heart is racing!!!
I love this shiattt!!!!
More more!!

[lunar_c]

This conversion rocks! Good work!
REP FOR YOU!

[Jaemus]

update:

tommorow im going to finally get it out of the garage and punt it around the cul-de-sac for a bit to make sure alls well, and then its a bit of wiring to tidy up and off for exhaust building!

photos and videos to follow folks

[Jaemus]

well ladies and gents

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/outside1.jpg

as of 3.05pm today, its now moving under its own power again!
maiden voyage consisted of driving 150m down the unit complex driveway to the street, u-turn, and back again. all the gearbox / brakes / throttle etc are working perfectly (shifting even feels nicer somehow, fresh fluid i guess).

i can tell you, im pretty pleased to man the helm again!!!

before i took it out i completed the induction setup, stage one anyway, which consists of a pod filter. i got a new TB - AFM pipe, but its for the non TRC throttle setup, so it was too long as it was, i had to chop this down to get the ISC pipe to line up.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/podsetup.jpg

a fairly random guess of a longish 90' bend miraculously brought the pod filter right down around the fuel filler pipe and into the side vent, lovely stuff, you can see right up its muzzle from outside the car.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/podinside.jpg

later, im going to paint that whole induction setup flat black, as its currently chrome. and maybe add a shroud. even tho ill have it all engineered its best not to draw attention to it. fortunately with the engine bay side cowlings on it will be all but impossible to spot.

parked up in the sunshine, it hasnt seen the light in a while, chance to admire the new gen3 tail light setup as well, tho it will look better with a bootlid on. i sprayed the white centre panel black, this will do until i can respray the whole car.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/outside2.jpg

got the timing light out, spent ages figuring out how to undo the dizzy bolts with all the other crap in the way, turns out one had to be done from under the car, fortunately with no muffler in the way i didnt need to jack it up.

adjusted the timing from like 30' plus where it was when i stuck the dizzy on, to 10' as it should be (for now, anyway). immediately the idle (altho in diagnostic mode) smoothed out considerably, pleasing.

so nice to see it out of the garage for the first time in about three months! note my snazzy floor coverings

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/emptygarage.jpg

pleased as punch i am! the neighbours all came by to take a look, (how could they not notice, with me snarling past their windows, shaking their glass, ehehe)

things still left to do:

- shifter cable bracket
- mount diagnostics box
- mount vac tank
- secure AFM to strut tower
- wire the O2 sensors (still! but ive found all the wires now, finally)
- deprive the dash cluster of the oil level light bulb
- perform a mod to the ISC valve to prevent a known issue with idling, but ill see if its necessary first
- replace / fix radiator (it sprung a leak)
- figure out weird electrical problem with front fans / fan relay and the EFI relay
- tidy up wiring and fusebox
- exhaust
- all the administrational type crap that needs doing before its roadworthy


cheers people, i love you all!

[mtp_69_i]

stoked for ya dude.

[Timma]

Jaemus, awesome man simply awesome! cannot wait to hear this!

[BlackSupra]

so you will be attending the nationals this weekend then, excellent.

[Jaemus]

i wish!

its not even close to being roadworthy yet, im afraid

EDIT: i really was hoping to have it ready for the nationals, either / or the toyota nats or the MR2 nats, but looks like ive missed out.

by the time they come around again, i will have it well refined.

[matt86sx]

Stoked for ya mate, great to hear it's now running and will be hitting the road soon. It's a great feeling when your engine fires up for the first time, huh? :cool:

Congratulations on all your hard work and effort paying off. And Monsters Inc. FTW! :D

Matt

[Senor_2]

F'n awesome Ben, congrats mate!

Can't wait to see (and hear :eek: ) it when it's done!!

[Levos1]

YEAH I second that notion!! From the Senor of Deuces!!!!
Its gonna be hairy like animal!!!

Gotta make it sound angrier than a R32 Golf! Yeah!

[crostek]

Jaemus,
awesome absolutely awesome!:eek:
+ rep for you
you have put up so much tech info that will be a real help for anyone else thick of doing the same conversion or using the same motor

can't what to see the car on the road :D

[lunar_c]

Ben's rock :)

[grahamd]

Jaemus
What's happening - your postings seemed to have slowed down.
Did you get it finished or is it still work in progress.

[Jaemus]

sorry guys, i was just waiting till i have enough useful updates to make a decent post. i was hoping to include some multimedia content but i havent got anything to make it with so sorry guys nothing yet on that score.

heres an update, however:

exhaust is done, sounds absolutely spectacular. in reverse order; 5zigen dual muffler, standard cat, 2.5inch to the merge, new flexi, new parrelell merge and new downpipes. $400

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/exhaust1.jpg

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/exhaust2.jpg

wiring, induction, everything else barring a few minor bits of bracketry is complete. there is now a shroud on the pod filter, and it is all painted matte black. i removed the traction control motor and made a plastic plate for the space it occupied. this gives necessary clearance for the fusebox in its stock location. removed idle control motor and throttle body and cleaned both thoroughly, result is a much improved idle, tho its still not perfect.

the radiator stopped leaking, the putty i used seems to be holding. front fans work as they should depsite the issue with that circuit and the engine bay fan relay. not going to worry about it, later i will wire the engine bay fan to run full time, or with a thermostat setup of my own devising.

engine runs fabulously. masses of power, sounds perfect. im getting a check engine light under load conditions but its to do with the speed sensor circuit that needed fooling to work with the auto ECU. no drama except the light is annoying.

in unrelated news. i got clear front indicators for $30, theyre in. much cleaner look. LED dash lighting also done, great results!

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/mr2swap/IMGP0312_800.jpg

also put the strut brace back on, not pictured.

i got the car engineereed today, pending a few details its all done. $600 :) and the exhaust tested at 89dba :)

however the clutch slave cylinder collapsed during the drive. i had to get a tow :( so im going to get that fixed hopefully tommorow, then get my rims sorted, new tyres, possibly new rear shocks, and then on to blue slip and rego. stay tuned!

[unleashed__]

great conversion mate.. cant wait to see the car complete and on the road

[misterhoang]

after following this post for some time, i am also getting excited to see the final product!
great work! keep it up!

[Jaemus]

i have some of the videos ive been waiting on so i can make a post about the outcomes. i just need to compile them abit, stay tuned!

[Talasas]

Looking sensational, I love the work you've done here.

[C Jay]

Cant wait. So are you going to stick to the application as is now or later look at some forced induction?

[blakeg]

looks and sounds awesome in the flesh dude... fucking mint !@

[74sLeeka]

subscribed for future readin, damn i love mr2s.. ur car reminds me why

[Jaemus]

thanks guys

ok ppl, heres an update, ive been leaving this thread a little open ended as i was hoping to have some video footage assembled to go along with the conclusions and outcomes, but circumstances have changed.

so what i can say is, after about 5000k's, and a bit more tweaking the ignition timing and AFM, is the thing is every bit as good as i was hoping it would be. i was a little underwhelmed at the initial impression (tho i would never have admitted it, lol), but it turns out initially had the ignition timing on 0' instead of 10', cos im dislexic (sp).

As a comparison, although i didnt get a chance (yes, note the past tense, and read on to find out why) to directly compare it with a stock 3SGTE SW, but from what i remember from test driving one: its probably a dead even match. V6 would beat it off the line (moreso if id put in a better clutch) and pull ahead before the GTE came on boost, and then i imagine hold its own rather well as the stock GTE boosts to its only slightly higher redline.

anyway, it feels every bit as fast as the dead-stock ST205 celica GT4 i previously owned, and pulls much harder from low revs, as you'd expect. torque is a beautiful thing! it doesnt suffer as badly from top end "FE head" breathlessness as id expected it would, this could be helped along by a significantly less restrictive exhaust than these engines are normally exposed to, but nevertheless nice to see.

Once the tuning was fixed up, the sound changed as well, and now has a bit more of a throaty burble at low revs to go along with the (what has been described by others, including those not specifically into cars) "exotic" sound at high revs.

I strongly encourage anyone who's pondering this conversion to go ahead with it, its worth every penny and every man-hour.


----


What has happened now, tho, is that a head gasket has blown again. I presume the cause for this is an improperly prepared mating surface on either the block, or head, or both. (The engine was purchased BHG). There was some pitting on the mating surfaces of both the head and block, that i tried to smooth out slightly, but mostly was just hoping that the new, vastly superior (to the factory fitted) HG's would do the work for me, with a little extra tightening of the head bolts. I skipped sending it off for machining as i was on a shoestring budget and was impatient. That is what i should have done.

A fairly costly mistake, and a lesson for others to learn from.

What im looking at now, is since the engine will have to come out again, i have the chance to do a bit more with the project :-

-Buy a second long or complete 3.0L 3VZ-FE in working or near enough to condition.
-Swap it in, continue to drive, whilst rebuilding the original motor
-On the original motor, machine the heads and block, maybe decompress with a thicker (custom) gasket, do some headwork (port+polish), and add mild boost with (most likely) a S/C or turbo like a T25. Piggyback and fuel mods.
-Build over time as money allows, and swap it in when its done.
-Put a MUCH better clutch in (OEM gen3 3SGE clutch doesnt cut it)
-If i can find parts and afford them, LSD turbo gearbox conversion.

[The Real Roadrunner]

just what i needed to hear to get me off my ass.
i would suggest something larger than a t25 more like a gt3076r with a .82 rear on it as it would give you a nice fat torque spread (2800-6000 or more if you want) on about 10psi and still give you the option to go nuts later and wind the wick up to about 280rwkw.

nice build thread
linden

[-==L=a=N=c=E==-]

i'd go bigger then that to be honest.

GT35R with a 1.06 rear on it would be minimum. Especailly considering the displacement of the engine.

GT40R would fit nicely as well.

[Alchemist]

Nice work, long time since we caught up, look foward to seeing the new beast when I come out on a cruise sometime with you MR2 peoples!

[The Real Roadrunner]

i'd go bigger then that to be honest.

GT35R with a 1.06 rear on it would be minimum. Especailly considering the displacement of the engine.

GT40R would fit nicely as well.
these would be good for drag purposes but not so much for a tough streeter.
that you want to drive all the time , and remember mr2s love swapping ends.
cheers
linden

[fixeruperer]

nice one !
supercharge it, it will sound osrum and boost on tap is fun

[BeRad]

F**k yer, looks like it came from the factory like that, top effort, good luck.

[hamgatan]

god...tis the season for BHG's is it not.

i just finished my 1JZ conversion to find BHG.
eldar just got BHG in his sv21
damo just had bhg on his 7M
i think theres about 3 or 4 other people that have bhg at the moment as well..:(

[Jaemus]

yeah BHG sucks, but its my first, so its special to me! lol

roadrunner - will let you know about the caldina fly, thanks!

alchemist - thanks, we will catch up soon dude!

everyone else - thanks for the kind words!

re: turbo size: driveability/streetability is a must. i really enjoy having low end power! the T25 is just the cheap option, thats all. And im not planning to run all that much boost, since im not planning to replace internal parts like pistons. Stock stuff is pretty good anyway, but i want it to be reliable. I tend to want to supercharge it, more than anything else, cos its more my kind of thing, responsiveness and all that. Probably be easier too.

[Javal]

T51R!

win win win win win win win win win.

Honestly though, i completely agree with your preference to supercharge it, especially when you think about the rather minute amount of room in an MR2 engine bay.

And i'm sure i've said it before, but this thing is sah-weet.

[Jaemus]

thanks mate!

So, while i sit twiddling my thumbs unable to drive the damn thing, heres some of the stuff i meant to post up quite a while ago!

****

VIDEO: First night out on the road! Compilation. Thanks to Nefarious from truedrivingspirit.com for this footage and the photos! 8)

YouTube LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpgo-az8n2I)


****

PICTURES: From the same night :) Bit of a show and tell with my fellow moderators from truedrivingspirit.com, and then off to the all-night car wash, followed by a blast through the 'tunnel of echoing doom', and an impromptu photo shoot with their horrible horrible nissans :P (much love ppl!)

http://home.exetel.com.au/jaemus/mr2swap/firstnight/firstnight1.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/jaemus/mr2swap/firstnight/firstnight2.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/jaemus/mr2swap/firstnight/firstnight3.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/jaemus/mr2swap/firstnight/firstnight4.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/jaemus/mr2swap/firstnight/firstnight5.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/jaemus/mr2swap/firstnight/firstnight6.jpg
http://home.exetel.com.au/jaemus/mr2swap/firstnight/firstnight7.jpg

[mtp_69_i]

car looks hawt. vid linky not working tho...

[Jaemus]

fixed link

[-GT-]

No you haven't. Car looks damn good though, i'm hanging out for the video to hear it!

[Levos1]

Nah Video still no worky worky!!

You need to continue the panda theme too man!!! Get a black bonnet and engine lid!!! DO IT!
DO IT!!

[Jaemus]

i really did fix it, i tested it.

its now mysteriously missing from my FTP server. I am re-uploading it, lets see if it stays there this time!

[Javal]

THE VIDEO WORKSES!

fuck it sounds hot, top job man

[Levos1]

Video! I have sound here at work but no Pic!!

Sounds a bit like a FAGNA man??

[TC1600]

Video worked for me right from the start, looks and sounds the goods mate!

[-GT-]

Still no love for me. :(

Might need someone more wise in the ways of teh internets than me to figure out why...

[Jaemus]

its dissapeared again GT. im uploading it again now. i think i must be at my FTP size limit or something

[-GT-]

:):D Got it ;)

[Koffee-Black]

nice stuff...sounds great, and looks tops, i like the black bonnet/wing

[JetspeedCamry]

Looks awesome!...link to vid no work again though :P

[Jaemus]

sigh. f*cking sh*tting me!

its on youtube now:
YouTube LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpgo-az8n2I)

apologies for the considerable drop in quality that goes along with youtubing it

[The Real Roadrunner]

Looks awesome!...link to vid no work again though :P
i tried it at 3am and no worky either.
youtube works, sounds nice

[thunderbird2]

Congrats on the well deserved award at Toyotafest. Such a cool conversion, sounds awesome too. Here's the two pics i snapped:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1040/1488168333_c9f8b68afc.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1319/1489026180_e8e2946d65.jpg

[Jaemus]

belated reply: thanks thunderbird2! much appreicated, awesome photos!

update:

Well i thought i might add a few words here, i am getting ongoing questions from many ppl about the conversion, and it seems they are mostly seeing this thread and going from that!

After the first few months, it turned out that the original motor i had, still had issues with the head gasket. Im not certain exactly how it blew again as i havent yet pulled that motor apart, but i suspect that i didnt surface it well enough, or the heads were actually warped and the new gasket just held it back for a while.

In any case, i swapped that motor out for another one, which i got from a wrecker this time, and was running in a camry a couple days before i took delivery, so i didnt strip it right down or change head gaskets this time. As it turns out, the first motor was a fair bit different (tho apparently the same year model, '96) leading me to think (esp. based on the lack of EGR) that the first motor was actually a jap import.

To save effort, i swapped over the entire EFI system including the intake and exhaust manifolds from the first motor onto the second, got that running again in about a month, this is the motor you see pictured above! :)

That has now been going strong for the last 5 months, without missing a single beat. I cant stress enough how much this conversion was worth all the effort.

I still get people asking me why i did this instead of a turbo, and all i can say is, whats original, unique or interesting at all about putting a 3SGTE into an MR2? Toyota themselves did that! And if you go ahead and modify that 3SGTE, there will still be a great many people with more money who did it better than you.

The only issue that still persists, one that i havent really been bothered to do anything about, is a constant CEL from the lack of speed sensor signal (camry ECU doesnt like MR2 signal from the dash) which basically causes idle issues sometimes resulting in a stall at roughly the time where the ECU switches from warm up to normal running. Some electronic whizz-bangery should sort this out, im just too lazy to figure out how!

Also an LSD would really, really, really be nice.

[beerhead]

Hey, If you go for a hunt on jaycar you should be able to find yourself a 555 timer kit to send a speed signal to the ecu. If its anything like the JDM 4AGE's it'll retard the timing at top end slightly if doesn't have the signal

[feral4mr2]

so tempting to bolt one of these engines up to my auto... trd s/c or twin turbo, yea baby!!! :)

[fibrewizard]

i am assuming that you used the mr2 gearbox........

if not how did you go with CV's,

[mullett]

Wow...inspired! That UK video completely sold me. It could take 15 seconds to get to 100km and I wouldn't car, that sound is amazing! Well...ok, I would care. But it's so cool.

Now: curiosity questions:
Have you had this on the dyno?
Will a 1MZ fit, or is it distinctly different...and is it worth the extra $$$?
Is the turbo gearbox significantly heavier?
Access: Has the cramped rear side of the engine bay caused any problems so far?

I won't be able to start this project for a while, but when I do I'll look around for a cheap (or a really nice) SW20, and buy a complete camry to do the conversion from.

-RM.

Edit: there's a 3k SW20 on autotrader at the moment...Someone grab it!

Clicky! (http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Used-Cars/Sports-Performance-Cars/AdNumber=TP001220741?BackToResult=true)

[Jaemus]

thanks guys!

fibrewizard: used MR2 S54 that was already in the car :)

mullett: thanks mate! dyno - no, but maybe at the upcoming dyno day :) 1MZ - absolutely, apparently some minor isses with the gearbox mounting bolt holes and it needs a different engine mount bracket and is trickier to wire, but worth it to save weight with teh all-alloy V6, particularly if you just want to keep it stock. i have a friend who is doing a vvti 1MZ - turbo box - not enormously. i havent compared them directly tho. access - none whatsoever. i have only had issues getting the idle valve off for cleaning - i drilled a couple of holes in the rear firewall :) but if you were savvy you'd replace the bolts with allen heads beforehad

the complete camry will save headaches, but they cost a fair bit in running condition, so its a big upfront cost. it doesnt save THAT many headaches, imo.

again i will state - forums.twobrutal.com <--- everything you'll ever need to know about the conversion

[X kyle X]

That engine in a aw11!!! I want to do it!!!

That is an awesome build up man!

Great work!!

[mullett]

People have done it! I thought about it with my AW11, but it's LOTS of work because there really isn't enough room. Go the 3S GTE...you know you want to :D

http://forums.twobrutal.com/index.php has the info on both swaps.

-RM.

[X kyle X]

Have done lots of reading!! But I think the 4agze is so much easier, the 3.0litre quad cam would be a dream!

Deff kudos on this conversion

[mullett]

I can vouch for the GZE for sure, but to be perfectly honest, I'd put a low-boost (say 7psi) turbo on your existing setup. You keep the weight off the back end, the response will still be good, and you'll have a much stronger top-end. Plus save some $$$ :D

-RM

[Jaemus]

thanks kyle :)

ive been informed the pics are down in the first pages

will look into this shortly

[Jaemus]

have updated the pics

they should mostly be working now!

[old_mr2]

Nice job mate, sounds great.

[GUN METAL]

seroiusly good work man !

[Jaemus]

thanks guys!

[X kyle X]

i want one in my ADUB!!!

[Jaemus]

lol go on then
its almost the same process as the 3S conversion

http://forums.twobrutal.com mate

[X kyle X]

yeh i have read it im just chicken shit! it would be so good!!

im jealous jaemus!!

[Jaemus]

not good enough
man up and do it!

on that note im too chicken shit to take on paint/panel work like you seem to have :P

[X kyle X]

together we would be unstoppable hahaha

was doing some research on twobrutal man im giving you rep, that is not a project for the faint hearted

[Jaemus]

haha thanks bro

it was my first ever project too.. before that had only done oil changes and the odd cam cover seal :P

[X kyle X]

wow thats impressive....

to be truthful i never touched a panel before the aw11 either! but my old man has, so he guides me through it haha

[greywolf]

Heya mate, I just did a search through your thread, and couldn't find mention of it anywhere. What radiator did you use with your conversion ?

[Jaemus]

greywolf:

i didnt change the radiator, same one that came with the car
its reasonable large :)

[greywolf]

Thanks mate, kinda hoped that was the case :)

[Jaemus]

New Pictures

Did a bit of a quick nasty photo session in my driveway this arvo cos its criminal how long i've had this car back from being painted and still not done proper photos! Im not satisifed tho, i need to do more, from more angles, and in DAYLIGHT :P

Here we go;

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/1024_IMGP6832.jpg

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/1024_IMGP684xmerged_e.jpg

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/1024_IMGP6851_e.jpg

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/1024_IMGP6849_e.jpg

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/jaemus/1024_IMGP6850.jpg

[AndyTTR]

That's sexy as! Loving the black roof action. :D

[MR 1JZ]

skid pics?


:P


(im still serious)

[Jaemus]

Thanks Andy!

MR1JZ: I'm sure i can make plenty of single spinner pics happen :P

[MR 1JZ]

SINGLE SPINNER?

wtf mang

[Shifty]

Very cool, in a non-turbo kinda way.

Having seen this I'm fairly certain one of these would go into an AE82 without any massive headaches.... if this 3SGTE thing goes well I just might try it with another one :)

[Jaemus]

well if a 3SGTE does, it might yes

but would you want that much instant torque through the front wheels of an AE82? i dont think i would :P but id still love to see it!

MR1JZ - its an S54 with open diff. cos that's what i already had :) when the motor comes out next, its not going back in until it's attached to an E153 and LSD, even if it kills me

[hamgatan]

si'f you're going to break the S54 anyway on a 3VZ! bah! :p no need to put a truck box thats more vulnerable to breaking than the S54.. :p plus the S54 shifts smoother anyway..

[Jaemus]

it's already pretty broken :)

if i can find one of the S54's that came with LSD, late model option, ill do that
but chances are not good

[hamgatan]

no theyre very rare.... 98+ models only.

that said, i havent checked out what my spare S54 sitting under my patio is yet.. might stick a couple of driveshafts into it and find out :p

[Jaemus]

haha yeah you could be sitting on a goldmine there :)

i had a chance to buy one once, but i let it slip by and now i hate myself for it :P

[greywolf]

Fit an aftermarket LSD to a open diff S54 ?

[Jaemus]

i wasnt aware that was possible?

[greywolf]

Hence the question mark :)

Throwing it out there as a possibility ?

Having worked in an automatic transmission shop has made me realise I would love to specialise in manuals/diffs.

Ninja Edit : Ofcourse it's possible, that's why I suggested it :)

[MR22ZZ]

of course you can... makes 1/2 of the products listed here useless if you couldn't http://www.kaazusa.com/partinfo_japan.html

[v8gz20]

lsd
http://trdparts.jp/english/parts_lsd_mechanical.html

[Jaemus]

awesome, thanks very much guys!
there you go then

TRD is pretty freaking expensive :P but nevertheless various options means ill be able to find one at a good price somewhere

[fibrewizard]

hey man.... long time no chat.......

i got my v6 in and running..... ..............


Q?...... what temp does your 3vzfe sit on........ mine is anywhere from 85 -95....... so trying to figure if water pump is fukt.........but its not overheating just seems hot.. is all


grant......

[Jaemus]

hey man

i dont have a water temp gauge that shows me in exact degrees but, when everything was running well, the factory gauge goes up to the usual spot it did with the 3S and sits there without moving even slightly

im using a 5S-FE thermostat btw

[fibrewizard]

hey man

i dont have a water temp gauge that shows me in exact degrees but, when everything was running well, the factory gauge goes up to the usual spot it did with the 3S and sits there without moving even slightly

im using a 5S-FE thermostat btw

sweet thanks...... turns out my thermostat.... wasnt completely opening..... so removed and cut out the centre of it and re-installed.......... should help it out a little till i can get it properly sorted........ at least its not restricting flow too much now.......

[Jaemus]

no worries dude, yeah hope you get that sorted and there's no BHG!

[Angelmon]

i wasnt aware that was possible?

i have a kazz 1.5way in my mr2 they cost about 1.5gs and a nother $1000 to put in. Yeah bit expensive but worth it. i have had it for 2 years now and still going strong.

[knightrous]

Paul woods has done some experimenting and the ZZW30 factory helical LSD fits into the S54 box. IF your able to locate a second hand spyder box, it might be a cheap option.

http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread.php?t=11589

Or mini spool :P!

[fibrewizard]

you wouldnt happen to have a spare rear gearbox mount from the MR2 would ya....

im going ahead with e153 gearbox conversion in the celica and need another mount to bolt to gearbox... on the rear of engine.... so driveshaft side of box.... front one i can use 184 mount...... top of gearbox/passenger side is a gt4 mount..... but the rear one i believe is a MR2 mount......

[Jaemus]

thanks angelmon and knightrous, interesting info!

fibrewizard: im afraid i dont have a spare mount, you could try the MR2 forum

http://mrtwo.mine.nu/default.asp