HELP... 3SG motor n A01B rear diff into GA61

[kanazai2001]

norb/all...
i have checked on ur "project site (http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/Phase9.htm)"... what do u mean by 30 degrees?!?
i have compared the MA60 n SXE10 (donor/front clip) clutch cylinders... there r equal length...

here is the pix of the clutch cylinder clearance...
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p28/kanazai2001/3SGE/firewall02.jpg

engine to firewall clearance...
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p28/kanazai2001/3SGE/fuel-rail.jpg

and also this engine has no fuel return line... anyone know any toy fuel pump is a 1 way pump? any suggestion?!

[Norbie]

OK, it looks like you're having problems because the master cylinder is too long and is fouling the inlet plenum. I didn't have a problem like this with my engine conversion, the plenum is on the other side with a 2JZ. I had to mount my master cylinder on an angle to get enough side clearance (it was fouling the turbo), but that's different to what's happening here.

All I can suggest is scouring the wreckers for a car with a shorter master cylinder, there's bound to be something out there.

[thechuckster]

that (pic 1) looks like a fuel line in with a pulsation dampener - you need to find the fuel pressure regulator elsewhere on the fuel rail as it will have the return line attached to it.

as for shorter clutch slaves, try corrola or celicas at the wreckers.

fwiw, an RA40 clutch master is 3.25 inches long, the high-pressure line is attached to the side facing the engine and the reservoir is directly above the unit not angled like yours.

[Norbie]

that (pic 1) looks like a fuel line in with a pulsation dampener - you need to find the fuel pressure regulator elsewhere on the fuel rail as it will have the return line attached to it.
Actually I don't think these engines have a return line at all, and the FPR is located near the pump.

[kanazai2001]

that (pic 1) looks like a fuel line in with a pulsation dampener - you need to find the fuel pressure regulator elsewhere on the fuel rail as it will have the return line attached to it.

as for shorter clutch slaves, try corrola or celicas at the wreckers.

fwiw, an RA40 clutch master is 3.25 inches long, the high-pressure line is attached to the side facing the engine and the reservoir is directly above the unit not angled like yours.

im using the SXE10 clutch master cylinder... that is why it looks weird with the angled reservoir...

i have 1 more extra clutch master cylinder from a FF corolla... but it is having the same length of MA61 or the SXE10... if i couldnt find any suitable during this weekend, i try to relocate it...




Actually I don't think these engines have a return line at all, and the FPR is located near the pump.

i will try to check on the SXE10 fuel pump in these few days (depend on when my friend can bring 1 for me)... i think the FPR is integrated with the pump... any aftermarket or other toy model pump suitable for this type of fuel delivery system?!




thanks for the input... guys... :)

[Norbie]

I think most (if not all) newer Toyotas are using the single fuel line system.

Note it shouldn't be very hard to convert to a return line system, you just need to buy a normal FPR and graft it to the end of the fuel rail.

[kanazai2001]

what im worried is the fuel pressure... standard toy FPR is only 36 or 41 psi... i dont know bout this engine fuel pressure spec... im still searching for it...

[takai]

If the MA61 clutch master is anything like the AE86 one then you can grind the end off it. My clutch MC is shortened by about 10mm to get it to fit.

[CrUZida]

3SGE fuel pressure was 60psi I *think*

Billzilla knows, he posted it on the old forums

[thechuckster]

ah... i would have expected the beams engines to have non-return-line fuel rail - but not the 3SGE.. i learn something new every day ;)

[Mos]

The fuel pressure regulator on the IS200 and the IS300 (and I assume on the SXE10) is located inside the fuel pump assembly in the tank, together with the fuel filter.
Not visible in the IS300 diagram below is the fuel filter. The IS200 "Fuel Pump and Sender Gauge Assembly" contains a fuel filter which takes up all available space and requires removal of the assembly for filter replacement (superb design, toyota).

http://www.toymods.net/mos/img/1G/IS%20fuel%20pump.JPG

Other engines that are definitely return-less are the 1UZ-FE out of the post 97 LS400s and probably everything after it.

Mos.

[CrUZida]

ah... i would have expected the beams engines to have non-return-line fuel rail - but not the 3SGE.. i learn something new every day ;)
Are you sure?
I thought it did.

Pretty sure Bill Sherwood said it was non-return

[thechuckster]

when i say 3sge i'm referring to the earlier gens found in celica's.

[CrUZida]

So are you saying only the Caldina beams 3SGE's have nonreturn?

[takai]

Yeah, im pretty sure that up to the Gen 3 3SGE they all had returns.

[kanazai2001]

If the MA61 clutch master is anything like the AE86 one then you can grind the end off it. My clutch MC is shortened by about 10mm to get it to fit.

hi takai...
i attached herewith my ST185 n SXE10 clutch MC pix... do u have the pix of ur AE86 clutch MC "final product"... 10mm shorter...?! is it safe?! will it burst if the end has been shorten?! :confused:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p28/kanazai2001/3SGE/PIC_0002.jpg

3SGE fuel pressure was 60psi I *think*

Billzilla knows, he posted it on the old forums


Are you sure?
I thought it did.

Pretty sure Bill Sherwood said it was non-return


hi UZida...
:eek: 60psi?! e.e..rr..r... -_-"

may i have bill's email?! i would like to consult him bout this... n what type of fuel pump is he using for his SE86?!



The fuel pressure regulator on the IS200 and the IS300 (and I assume on the SXE10) is located inside the fuel pump assembly in the tank, together with the fuel filter.
Not visible in the IS300 diagram below is the fuel filter. The IS200 "Fuel Pump and Sender Gauge Assembly" contains a fuel filter which takes up all available space and requires removal of the assembly for filter replacement (superb design, toyota).

http://www.toymods.net/mos/img/1G/IS%20fuel%20pump.JPG

Other engines that are definitely return-less are the 1UZ-FE out of the post 97 LS400s and probably everything after it.

Mos.


hi... moz...
thanks for the diagram... i think i will check out the local chop shops here to look for anything similar...



norb...
this is my shifter position...

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p28/kanazai2001/3SGE/PIC_0005.jpg

from the pix below... i dont think i can push further toward the firewall after i shorten the clutch MC... the shifter cannt go further to the back... the Xmember n the oil sump... the brake MC n the inlet plenum... bra bra bra... *headache*

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p28/kanazai2001/3SGE/PIC_0006.jpg

this is what i try to do for the Xmember braket...

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p28/kanazai2001/3SGE/PIC_0009.jpg

any good suggestion to clear all the issues n push it further to the firewall...?!

[kanazai2001]

hi all...
anyone know how to identify rear differential code besides printed at small aluminium plate?!
any indication on the diff housing?!

[Mos]

IMHO you can go closer on the sump - mine will have a lot less room... (fingers only, no hands).

Diff ratios: spin and count, nothing on the diff itself AFAIK.

Mos.

[Robbos_Toyotas]

cut some out of the sump and just add it to the front, ive had to do this is most of my engine conversions, a good opportunity to get a bit more capacity in teh sump too!