1GZ-FE pics and measurements. Drool included.

[The Witzl]

These are courtesy of Jamie H., the man with the spastic 1UZ-FTE TA22......

finally there is some information which people can start to use to realistically think about getting their hands on the penultimate toyota motor...... rather than just idlly dreaming...



http://www.twincam.org/forums/uploads/post-20-1124939785.jpg

http://www.twincam.org/forums/uploads/post-20-1124939079.jpg

http://www.twincam.org/forums/uploads/post-20-1124939147.jpg

http://www.twincam.org/forums/uploads/post-20-1124939444.jpg

http://www.twincam.org/forums/uploads/post-20-1124939301.jpg

http://www.twincam.org/forums/uploads/post-20-1124939396.jpg

http://www.twincam.org/forums/uploads/post-20-1124939679.jpg

http://www.twincam.org/forums/uploads/post-20-1124939731.jpg

[Alchemist]

That would sit rather nicely up the front of my JZA80....maybe one day in the very distant future. Good info and pics though Karl.

[oldcorollas]

ahh, i love the casting work on the side of the block :) makes it stand out...if you didn't already notice the 12 cylinders.... orright i'm just a metallurgical nerd :P

the thermostat/radiator outlet/inlet is pretty trick too.. not that you could find many of them to use anyway but....

[CrUZida]

Stu, don't bother trying to snap a photo of the motor in a Century engine bay.

http://www.motorspain.com/coches/Toyota/Toyota_Century_V12_Engine.jpg

[Alchemist]

Hate stupid engine covers like that :mad: I'd still like something saying V12 in my engine bay though.... ;)

[oldcorollas]

Stu, don't bother trying to snap a photo of the motor in a Century engine bay.

http://www.motorspain.com/coches/Toyota/Toyota_Century_V12_Engine.jpg

ahh thats crap.. they didn't even have one on display at megaweb..... it's not like they cost _that_ much......

[The Witzl]

bah - that's a two bolt removal job - EASY!!!

Im looking forward to seeing some more progress from the V12 'rod.... and perhaps some other cars with 1GZ-FEs in the near future

[4DaDrift]

Edited post!

[YelloRolla]

must stop drooling and do some work. I would love to see the old Ford V8 badge replicated with a V12 logo.
That machine is really going to keep the Bogans in a state of bewilderment.

Hmm cars that would mate up nicely to a 1GZFTTE? My Corolla for starters!

[TheToyman75]

yes id like to know how easy they are to work with as well
by memory soemoen said that the motor is skinnier not as long yet a bit taller than a 1uzfe
actual measurements of both compared side by side would be nice
also weight woudl be an interesting one

Neil,

The tape measure in the pics above should be your first clue as to the size of a 1GZ-FE ;)

A wookies guide to the 1UZ-FE would be that it is a 700mm cube.

[BlackSupra]

Hmm cars that would mate up nicely to a 1GZFTTE? My Corolla for starters!

My soarer after it goes BHG!

[Draven]

I know what that old car with the 1gz needs.. ITBs and trumpets. a pair of GTR runners should be a good start.

edit: and if this is the penultimate, what's the ultimate? :)

[Mr DOHC]

what some specs on the motor

mmmmm 1GZ-FZZE {twin Pro Chargers}

[Draven]

5.0L vvti V12. 280bhp@5200rpm (gentlemen's agreement. real=? 350+) 353ftlb@4000rpm

[oldcorollas]

there is a 1GZ-FE engine manual (in japanese) on yahoo auctions at the moment for about $50plus costs and shipping...

[Draven]

I don't relaly see myself being able to afford to buy, install and mod a 1gz-fe, so I'm gonna pass on that :)
4 cams, 48 valves, 12 ITBs, 12 pistons.. there's just too damn much of everything :)

[takai]

At least that one is going into a car which deserves it. Far out that old fella will be sweet.

[TheToyman75]

there is a 1GZ-FE engine manual (in japanese) on yahoo auctions at the moment for about $50plus costs and shipping...

Some of us already own one in english ;)

[Mullo]

im thinking that one of them would look stunning under the bonnet of my crown :rolleyes:

i imagine they would still be rather hard to get hold of and pricey at the same time, but i guess there are always goals that you can aim for :D

[oldcorollas]

these would look nice :P

http://www.twminduction.com/ThrottleBody/ThrottleBody.imgs/ferrari_3006.jpg

[4DaDrift]

Edited post!

[Norbie]

http://www.twminduction.com/ThrottleBody/ThrottleBody.imgs/ferrari_3006.jpg
Pure sex. Imagine what it would sound like at 9000rpm! :eek:

[The Witzl]

... nothing. Your ears would be bleeding.

[Andrew162]

I got a mess to clean up now...

Beautiful engine, but 12 cylinders means there's just a bit too much to go wrong if there is ever an engine-fart. Dare I ask if these are interference engines or not?

[Norbie]

Eh? Are you suggesting that 4 cylinder engines are more reliable than V8's because they have fewer cylinders? Empirical data suggests it doesn't really work like that...

[gianttomato]

VVTi so very likely an interference motor.

[Andrew162]

Eh? Are you suggesting that 4 cylinder engines are more reliable than V8's because they have fewer cylinders?

I don't believe that's what I said. I know 4-cyl's can screw up just as badly... what I was getting at is there's a lot of hardware in a V12. What's the chances of a spun bearing or a piston or a rod going gabooey on you at high RPM? :confused:

[Matt]

3 times the chance, assuming the engines are similarly designed and are treated equally?

[roadsailing]

not really, isn't a 3SXXX more likely to spin a bearing than a 4AXXX?

more to do with engine design than number of parts i'd say.

[Matt]

Just a quick calculation.....

353 ftlb @ 4000rpm ~ 478 Nm @ 4000rpm

and then another conversion

4000 rpm ~ 419 rads/s

Then for the power calculation...

Power = angular velocity * torque = 419 * 478

~ 200kW @ 4000 rpm

Whats the redline of this badboy?

400Nm of torque @ 6500RPM equates to approximately 270kW

i have no idea of the redline or the torque at redline... but i think that the claimed figure of ~208 kW is just a tad conservative...

[Norbie]

I don't believe that's what I said. I know 4-cyl's can screw up just as badly... what I was getting at is there's a lot of hardware in a V12. What's the chances of a spun bearing or a piston or a rod going gabooey on you at high RPM? :confused:
Um, what's the chances of that happening on any engine? About the same I'd say. The fact that there's more hardware in there means SFA, what matters is the design of each individual component and the load it's being subjected to.

[takai]

The biggest increase in costs comes when you go to a V or flat design over Inline because everything basically has to be done twice. Two head castings, two block castings etc etc.
The modification side is basically doubled too.

[Norbie]

You are correct, but when did cost get mentioned? :confused:

In any case I don't think an inline 12 would be very practical. :p

[takai]

It didnt, i was merely trying to point out that that is one of the few things which changes dramatically when you go to a V rather than I. Of course costs will increase as you add cylinders, but not as dramatically.

[no_tofu_speed]

these would look nice :P

http://www.twminduction.com/ThrottleBody/ThrottleBody.imgs/ferrari_3006.jpg

Ferrari 3006? Ummmm what Ferrari is this out of? If it is blatantly obvious I am sorry. Seems like I am missing anything and everything on these forums lately.
Do Ferrari engines have engine codes? Can someone give me an example please.
Anyone know which ferrari ran a 12 cylinder boxter engine? Want to google some engine pics.
Thanks

[Viper]

Ferrari 3006? Ummmm what Ferrari is this out of? If it is blatantly obvious I am sorry. Seems like I am missing anything and everything on these forums lately.
Do Ferrari engines have engine codes? Can someone give me an example please.
Anyone know which ferrari ran a 12 cylinder boxter engine? Want to google some engine pics.
Thanks

Um, WTF???

Think about it, why the F*K would Ferrari be running a Toyota Engine???
No one has ever mensioned Ferrari in the post.
And a 12 cylinder boxter, i highly doubt that thats even feasable to build.

[CrUZida]

Um, WTF???

Think about it, why the F*K would Ferrari be running a Toyota Engine???
No one has ever mensioned Ferrari in the post.
And a 12 cylinder boxter, i highly doubt that thats even feasable to build.
Have a look at the file name.
Its Ferrari 3006

[mc68]

Ferrari 3006? Ummmm what Ferrari is this out of? If it is blatantly obvious I am sorry. Seems like I am missing anything and everything on these forums lately.
Do Ferrari engines have engine codes? Can someone give me an example please.
Anyone know which ferrari ran a 12 cylinder boxter engine? Want to google some engine pics.
Thanks

dont know what reference this has too the thread but one of the flat 12 fazza's was the 512BB
(5L 12cyl berlinetta boxer)

[oldcorollas]

just to clear up, 3006 is the TWM series of throttle body in the pic... the pic was only posted as a demo of a 12 ITB setup.
more info here http://www.twminduction.com/ThrottleBody/ThrottleBody3006.html
or go in thru the front page

[RONA]

I can give you a pic of my uncles 512BB no pics of then engine though and that car is long gone, yes boxer 12 exist ya nongs.

http://images.google.com.au/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=512BB+engine

link to many pics:D

[Viper]

I can give you a pic of my uncles 512BB no pics of then engine though and that car is long gone, yes boxer 12 exist ya nongs.

http://images.google.com.au/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=512BB+engine

link to many pics:D

Really, well how about that.
Would have thought it would be too impracticle.
Then again, i guess a lower centre of mass would be a great thing to have for a 12cylinder. :D

[no_tofu_speed]

Sorry people, I only opened mymouth asking about a couple of Ferrari things as the pic that was an ITB example sparked my interest.

[CrUZida]

Sorry people, I only opened mymouth asking about a couple of Ferrari things as the pic that was an ITB example sparked my interest.
Thats usually a good time to start a new thread then.

[MacroP]

Ferrari Testarossa from the mid 80's is a flat 12 too.

[SL666]

Ferrari Testarossa from the mid 80's is a flat 12 too.

??? really? i thought they were v8?

[MacroP]

??? really? i thought they were v8?

Nah flat 12 they were. F40 had the V8.

[mrshin]

...Back the the 1GZ...
I'd be interested to see some pics of the inside of this engine. The bottom end setup, the crank, rods and pistons, and disassembled heads. It'd be nice to know how many times the house has to be remortgaged to actually do anything with it. I'd be guessing the innards would be to a high standard like most Toyota engines... Hopefully. Also, it'd be interesting to see what the ports, valves, etc. looked like, to see what kind of potential the whole thing holds.

(If you're going to turbo it, why not go 1GZFTTTTE hey?:D )

[Norbie]

Yes we'd all like to know those details, so how about you go and buy one and disassemble it for us? Be sure to take plenty of photos.

[TheToyman75]

If someone wants ot buy me 2 I'll pull one appart for everyone ;)

I still have the manual to put it back together lol

[gianttomato]

I'd actually buy one if someone could find me one.

[RONA]

http://www.japanusedcar.net/auction/car_list.php?maker=TOYOTA&name=CENTURY

http://www.japanusedcar.net/auction/detail.php?id=5L14502710 22 hours remaining buy the whole car.

[Norminator]

That machine is really going to keep the Bogans in a state of bewilderment.


fortunately it's probably a couple of bogans building it... ;)

[Norbie]

I'd actually buy one if someone could find me one.
Ditto. I'm not paying $20k+ for a whole car though!

[oldcorollas]

theres 156 centuries for sale on goonet atm..
cheapest 5L is:
http://www.goo-net.com/cgi-bin/goojp/used/spread_n_w.cgi?goo_car_id=0110060401B4004309004&areacd=13&maker_cd=1010&car_cd=10101001&NENSHIKI_SORT=asc&baitai=goo&sort_flag=syear_sort&car_cd_list=10101001&search_type=maker_search

20K :( and it's already done 163,000km

oh, the 5L came out in Heisei 9

[YelloRolla]

fortunately it's probably a couple of bogans building it... ;)
aint tht the truth;)

[Jaffa]

I'd be interested to see some pics of the inside of this engine. The bottom end setup, the crank, rods and pistons, and disassembled heads. It'd be nice to know how many times the house has to be remortgaged to actually do anything with it. I'd be guessing the innards would be to a high standard like most Toyota engines... Hopefully. Also, it'd be interesting to see what the ports, valves, etc. looked like, to see what kind of potential the whole thing holds.

(If you're going to turbo it, why not go 1GZFTTTTE hey? )

I can get you the pics of the Inlet port setup this weekend as the inlet manifold is removed for a custom setup
The sump will be staying on until we know whether it will fit with standard sump or not,. If it is required to be removed i will definatley grab some happy snaps of it for the forums

It is receiving a pair of GT30's most likley , actually i would be interested to hear what others would recommend ,.. eg Norbie, oldcorollas, GT , YellowRolla etc
The idea is to keep the motor in one piece and run relativley low boost say 7-10 psi no more due to the lack of parts available for a rebuild if something goes wrong and hopefully make upwards of 300rwkw if everything else supportive is in place

Quote:
Originally Posted by Norminator
fortunately it's probably a couple of bogans building it...

aint tht the truth

Bastards ,...Easy on the Bogan stuff hey!

I'd actually buy one if someone could find me one.

GT still got you in mind if another pops up ,.. so far missed out on one by a bees D!@#, still trying , we are even just trying to find a non runner for parts for the just incase senario.
They seem to be about in japan occasionally just go really quickly when they come on the market


Thanks
J

[YelloRolla]

For that kind of boost figure I would stay with a smaller (than GT30) turbo and get it on boost by 2000rpm (kind of Bentley numbers seem appealing). The 2540 that I am running at the moment is quite responsive (boost needle moving by 17-1800rpm). I have not worked out the airflow requirements of your set up, BUT, with decent wastgates I would go fairly small on the turbine. We ought to have a good idea of how the smaller GT30's will go when 1JZ rolla's car is done (IE 1JZ GTE = 1/2 x 1GZFTTE).

My personal preference is to use smaller turbos and run it at teh upper limits of its efficiency range. It may not win dyno comps but will accelerate really well.

I am with Rod, get 2 and I will pull one apart for photos too......

[SL666]

:0 quad turbo :) 2x 1jz stock setups :)

[Shifty]

Yeah, four crap little turbos to blow up, great idea!

[MS-75]

I'd go for two GT30/40's, rated at 400-500 each. Considering how quickly the 1000hp GT42 boosts up on my 4.5L Crown, I'd think you could get away with pretty free-flowing rears yet still retain quick response.

One thing to mention is that with the displacement of this motor, you probably don't want super response as with anything other than full slicks and a prepped strip you'll be torching the treads off idle. I found that my car became more driveable as the turbo sizing went up due to it being a bit less violent as the boost came on.

Considering my 1FZ has 275ft/lbs std, if you boost on top of 353ft/lbs it'll be an animal-even at low boost.

Given the displacement and torque of the engine, and comparing it to the results I've had with the 1FZ, I reckon 300rwkw on 10-11 psi is about spot on.

If I extrapolate further from the 1FZ results, 23 psi through that would deliver over 520rwkw......

Sean:)

[oldcorollas]

this is fuzzy memory, but what size twins did Jamie Heritage have before he went to the single?? it's on 4L, so you would need something larger to reduce response even further....

[RONA]

this is fuzzy memory, but what size twins did Jamie Heritage have before he went to the single?? it's on 4L, so you would need something larger to reduce response even further....
isn't jamie Jaffa so why not just ask him:D

[oldcorollas]

LOL my bad ;) (my apologies too ;) )

so.. as rumour had it, you went from the twins to a single, partially to reduce response.,... what change in sizes were involved?

and why not get a big screwcharger for it :P

[Norbie]

I agree with Sean's comments, this thing is a torque monster even without FI so there's no need to go for tiny exhaust housings, unless it's being built for tractor pulls or something.

If it was me I'd look at what the 1JZ guys are doing, since each bank of your 1GZ is similar to a 1JZ. GT30's tend to work pretty well on a 1JZ, not quick spooling but not stupidly laggy either and with a very decent top end, which sounds about spot on for your purposes.

I can't even begin to imagine what such a beast will feel like once the turbos spool. It will be like engaging warp drive I reckon. :eek:

[oldcorollas]

10psi.. lets be conservative and say about 700-750Nm torque.
:eek:

[SL666]

shifty: hmm low end response.. 7-10 psi cheap.. chew me :)

and 'quad turbo' sounds cool :)

[Norminator]

Bastards ,...Easy on the Bogan stuff hey!

J


ahaha you forget that i knew you when you had a mullet and a 400ci WB ute! and both were fine examples, might i say! :D

[Jaffa]

LOL my bad (my apologies too )

so.. as rumour had it, you went from the twins to a single, partially to reduce response.,... what change in sizes were involved?

and why not get a big screwcharger for it

Sorry i should of pointed out that i now use Jaffa so no apologies needed

Yes the rumour is sorter true + a few other reasons eg what follows
Turbo's where CT26 off the 7m, they did come on boost really savage in a car that weight 1060kg and full boost happened in about a 2-300 rpm band so with this in mind and the turbo;s out so far over the front axle, traction was a real issue with only 225 rears.

So then i relocated a single towards the rear just behind the passenger seat in the rear footwell and boxed it in accordingley. It used the 700hp compressor GT35 wheel and a GT30 600hp turbine side. This was choosen with heat loss in the pipes considered ,.. boost came on slightly early than the twins but spooled over a good 1000-1200rpm range depending on how hot the pipes where. The single made 320rwkw at the wheels on 1.2bar boost so this was probably close to the turbines side limits anyway
Total weight that came off the front axles was about 35-40kg (can't exactly remember now) this made a huge difference to handling and traction as you could imagine, as the weight was also hanging a fair way out and up compared to where the single sat in the footwell.

I would love to run a big screw but it has to all sit under the bonnet for me ;)

I will put a separate reply in for the Turbo's for the 1GZ-FE

[greywolf]

Thread Revival !

What happened to the hotrod ? How did it run ?

[Norbie]

Quite a few 1GZ's have been bought since this thread was started, I'm looking forward to seeing someone get an actual 1GZ-powered car running one day.

[The Real Roadrunner]

im waiting for tan to drop his off. i think he has disappeared.

[greywolf]

Having only recently discovered the joy of a Toyota V-12 engine (about 8 hours ago), it's a new pipe dream to build a 1GZ-FE powered car !

[gianttomato]

Sump is a bitch.

[Talasas]

Has anyone got a price on what a 1GZ-FE is worth in one form or another (other than whole car I guess)?

[Norbie]

Sump is a bitch.
The smart option is to put it in a car that doesn't require sump mods. Hello JZX90. :D
Has anyone got a price on what a 1GZ-FE is worth in one form or another (other than whole car I guess)?
Approx $6k for engine/trans package, IF you can find one.

[tomvale13]

Soo, whats happened to the 2 guys on here with these motors?

One was being completely forged I think? going into a supra?

I asked this in some other thread a while back and there was a deafening silence as response.

:)

[gianttomato]

The smart option is to put it in a car that doesn't require sump mods. Hello JZX90. :D
I like that GX71 option....

[Norbie]

Yeah I think the other 2 guys have discovered the harsh realities of unusual engine conversions. Making plans is one thing, making stuff happen is something else. :)

GX71 is a nice idea, but the good thing about JZX90 is all the off-the-shelf upgrade bits. Plus fewer things to upgrade (eg diff).

[The Witzl]

i still think my "Bandit" transam was the best idea.

[JustenGT8]

When Tan finally gives up and passes his onto me it'll find a home pretty quick :)

[Sciflyer]

Clearly the correct answer is to put it in a decent-sized Toyota with an engine bay made for both V and inline engines

oh that'd be a Z30 Soarer then :P

coz lets face it, a 1GZ-FE 'd car is going to be more ultimate GT than supremely balanced track weapon

[Norbie]

a 1GZ-FE 'd car is going to be more ultimate GT than supremely balanced track weapon
Says you. :p

[The Real Roadrunner]

Sump is a bitch.
agreed, i figured it was going to be easier to start from scratch and build a new one the block down, oh the joys.

[gianttomato]

Just going to get a JZS131 alloy corset and mate it to a milled down GZG50 alloy corset. Now you guys can pretty much work out what it will be going in.

[Talasas]

When Tan finally gives up and passes his onto me it'll find a home pretty quick :)

GZT185? :)

[Norbie]

Now you guys can pretty much work out what it will be going in.
GiantTomato, engine conversion... gee, pretty hard to guess. :p

[The Real Roadrunner]

has anyone got pics of a sump in pieces? i want to see how much of a headache this is going to be b4 i start.

cheers
linden

[greywolf]

GZT185? :)


Hey Hey !!!! No !!!!! Justen got to do the first V8 185, if I EVER have ANY money, I'll be doing the first V12 185 !

*Actually I'd be just as happy at doing the second V8 185 :D*

[JustenGT8]

No GT12, more than happy with the GT8. A 240Z would be very tempting but seeing how cheap JZA80's are getting i reckon that would be the go.

sump should be a cinch for a man of your talents Linden :), even less sleep

[Mos]

Now you guys can pretty much work out what it will be going in.
Bet you can't make it fit into an IS200.

Mos.

PS. Can I have your 3UZ yet? :D

[greywolf]

Owned a 280ZX, would love to have something in the Z family again. Damn not being a multi-millionaire !!!

[The Real Roadrunner]

sump should be a cinch for a man of your talents Linden :), even less sleep
just trying to figure out the amount of sleep deprivation:rolleyes: , nah more wondering if they are like gen3 3s and a few other toyota engines where there are oil galleries in the sump including relief valves etc as that would make life really interesting.

Bet you can't make it fit into an IS200.
bet you i could:p

[Norbie]

Does this help?

http://www.norbie.net/Century/Docs/m_eg_0030_engine_description.pdf

http://www.norbie.net/Century/Docs/m_eg_0041_lube_system.pdf

[oldcorollas]

is there an english wiring book floating around?


http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k44255388

worth buying?

[gianttomato]

is there an english wiring book floating around?


http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k44255388

worth buying?
Yes. Very much so.

Mos, I reckon I could. And, no:P .

[gianttomato]

http://www.norbie.net/Century/Docs/m_eg_0041_lube_system.pdf
Hmmm....looks like the pump is mounted on the bottom of the block.....blows my plans to the shitter!!!

[Gavatron]

Looks like it. Chain driven.

Dry sump? :D

[5000gt]

bah... i thought you were going to call me, Linden???

Anyhow, i have been a busy bee making money to spend on the car, and in Vegas (business trip FTW!!!!).

Spent the best part of the last month or so up here in Brissy. Flying back tomorrow (monday), So i can get the car and engine to you if you're in a hurry, haha.

Norbie, what are the chances of taking a look at your gzg50 over the easter break? I'll be back in brissy thursday.

GT, pm sent!!!

[TheToyman75]

is there an english wiring book floating around?


http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k44255388

worth buying?

Stew,

5000GT already has my english version of the factory Toyota Workshop manual from when I was going to put one into the MS53 or MS63.

[cambelt]

Cut hole in kettle crossmember or modify around sump.
Dave

[Norbie]

Norbie, what are the chances of taking a look at your gzg50 over the easter break? I'll be back in brissy thursday.
Easter break = Toyota Nationals = Century is going to Dubbo. I'll be back on the Monday night though if you want to swing around then, although I'll probably be a bit vague after 12 hours on the road.

[The Real Roadrunner]

bah... i thought you were going to call me, Linden???
just been enjoying space in the shop.

let me know when your back and get the engine/ gearbox and all related components over here.

cheers
linden

[JustenGT8]

Hmmm....looks like the pump is mounted on the bottom of the block.....blows my plans to the shitter!!!

Pfft, what's the issue? nothing some chrome-moly tube won't fix :)

[5000gt]

Linden, can you start with just the car and engine? Gearbox is still in WA and the auto bell won't be coming my way for awhile yet..... unless you want to do some cutting and shutting to another bell... i have the adaptor plate and a CAD file of the v12 bell flange....

Tan.

[oldcorollas]

Yes. Very much so.
should arrive next week sometime ;)

[The Real Roadrunner]

Linden, can you start with just the car and engine? Gearbox is still in WA and the auto bell won't be coming my way for awhile yet..... unless you want to do some cutting and shutting to another bell... i have the adaptor plate and a CAD file of the v12 bell flange....

Tan.
no point having the car until i have the box on the engine so i know it all lines up.
hurry up and get the bits so we can start putting this thing together, you shoulda had it all in jan:p

[5000gt]

i would have gotten onto it earlier if i thought you had a chance in hell of having any space in the shop in jan, haha.

There's still other work to do like the brakes and the cutting of the rear guards.... Should have the box soon.... as for the bell... unsure.

[gianttomato]

Pfft, what's the issue? nothing some chrome-moly tube won't fix :)Maybe I'm missing something Justen but the thing is chain driven from the front of the motor. Looks like at least a bit of chromemoly pipe and maybe something to extend the oil pimp driveshaft.....:(

[5000gt]

custom front cradle?

[Norbie]

How hard is it to modify the crossmember instead of the sump?

[JustenGT8]

Maybe I'm missing something Justen but the thing is chain driven from the front of the motor. Looks like at least a bit of chromemoly pipe and maybe something to extend the oil pimp driveshaft.....:(

Tan is on the ball :) A front engine cradle would be a cinch...well as easy as any of this type of stuff is.

[The Real Roadrunner]

Tan is on the ball :) A front engine cradle would be a cinch...well as easy as any of this type of stuff is.
alloy cradle in an a80,tis will lick teh balls:(

[Joshstix]

It all sounds like far too much trouble putting these silly V12's into supra's.

I'll help out and take it off your hands to go into an MS51 ;)

[5000gt]

haha...so nice of you to unburden me....

seriously, i think a custom cradle still would be harder.....sway bar, steering rack and who knows what else will have to be moved/modified.....

we'll know soon when the sump comes off....

Linden, i'll be in tomorrow if you're around.... spending the night at surfers paradise...

[oldcorollas]

ahh great, mt previous hosting has carked it...

anyway, i had to laugh at you guys when i saw these :D
the seats alone have more plugs than an old corolla :D

[gianttomato]

Looks straightforward.

Dude where do I send monetas?

[big_zop]

I would hate having to diagnose an electrical fault on that thing...

Or worse still, trying to take care of quality control for Toyota when building these...

Scary!

[tomvale13]

+rep for those pics, very interesting/overwhelming.

:)

[oldcorollas]

Looks straightforward.

Dude where do I send monetas?
you have PM.

[Mos]

Looks straightforward.
Puce of puss. We'll get it done tomorrow.

[1JZ~lux]

If you guys are finding it a bit hard, I'm sure I could find a Hilux to shoe horn it into. :)

[The Real Roadrunner]

got it here now, looks like a straight fit in teh AE71:p

[oldcorollas]

you are a bad man Linden :D

[The Real Roadrunner]

sump is removed and its sitting in the bay, 5kgt is the picture takerer so dont ask me for pics.

me thinks a dry sump is a must, but it wont be overly difficult to build so thats a relief, the only way you could do it using the factory sump / oil pump is by mounting a complete IS200 or similar front end in this thing but that would be more effort than its worth.

anyone got a bellhousing i could borrow till 5kgt's new one rocks up? doubt it but its worth asking:rolleyes:

cheers
linden

[-GT-]

got it here now, looks like a straight fit in teh AE71:p
Switch it with the beams..? Reckon he'd notice the 8 missing cylinders?:p

Edit: And picsorban.:D

[The Real Roadrunner]

Switch it with the beams..? Reckon he'd notice the 8 missing cylinders?:p

Edit: And picsorban.:D
maybe, maybe not but i would definately notice the extra weight when i try to turn a corner.

you take teh pics as i = stupid with computators

[gianttomato]

Hmmm...like to see this freaking oil pump arrangement.

[The Real Roadrunner]

leeroy might take pics of it.

they are abit oldschool setup wise but fuck the castings are nice inside and out, they look similar in quality to late model ferrari, audi etc

cheers
linden

[cambelt]

The Euro engines used to use a chain for the oil pump in the sump, very common in the
80,s , looks toyota coppyied it
Dave

[TA23 Racer]

Yeah early Mazda 4's had the same set up. Obviously the 12 is longer than a 6 so you don't want the pump on the front if you want to keep the length down and there is no jack shaft to take a drive from, so the narrow single chain uses the least space and the oil pump size or capacity isn't compromised.
I like that front sump layout maybe the old MA61 would like that more than an old 5ME I know I would!!
Good stuff fellas keep it coming more pics loving it.

Cheers Dave.

[The Real Roadrunner]

Yeah early Mazda 4's had the same set up. Obviously the 12 is longer than a 6 so you don't want the pump on the front if you want to keep the length down.
suprisingly it aint that long, maybe 50-80mm longer than a 2jz.

there is a perferct space inside the front timing cover that they could have run a pump but i think they just wanted to run it in the pan so they could use a really high volume pump, it does after all need almost 2x the oil ov a 2j for the same RPM.

cheers
linden

[Draven]

isn't it ~10L capacity?

bloody expensive oil changes :)

[thechuckster]

fwiw: the repco/brabham F1 engine in a past RACE magazine had the dry-sump pump in the sump - and it used a chain drive off the crank... that way it had minimal lines outside the sump in case of leakage.

[Norbie]

isn't it ~10L capacity?
About 8.5L.
bloody expensive oil changes :)
Yes. :(

[Norbie]

It seems that fate has decided I shall never be able to buy a 1GZ, apart from the one attached to a Century which I can't really modify.

A few months ago one came up for sale, it was offered to me, and I paid cash immediately. I've just learned that a container load of engines mysteriously disappeared from a container en route from Japan, and my 1GZ was among them. :(

Not only do I miss out on buying a V12 (again!), the chances of getting my money back aren't looking great. I guess you could call that a $6000 lesson. :( :(

[JustenGT8]

Whoa that's bullshit Norbie, i hope you manage to recover at least some of your cash.

[thechuckster]

shipping agent have any insurance? is a shit-load of pain.

[SL666]

that sucks norbs.

[tomvale13]

what a fucking crock,

hope things get better

[gianttomato]

Whoa....that blows goats dude.

[takai]

That truly sucks arse.

[1JZ~lux]

That really sucks. I hope you do get at least part of your money back.

[Norbie]

shipping agent have any insurance? is a shit-load of pain.
Apparently my engine doesn't exist on any paperwork, in fact there's nothing to prove it ever existed at all, so that would be a no to insurance. Sound dodgy to you?

[Draven]

what in the fuck?!

[oldcorollas]

you have a receipt right?

[Draven]

electronic transaction record? reputable seller? something?

[greywolf]

Surely you have something on your end to say you spent the money ? Account transactions, credit card slips ? There has to be some form of a paper trail, unless you paid cash in hand.

[thechuckster]

Apparently my engine doesn't exist on any paperwork, in fact there's nothing to prove it ever existed at all, so that would be a no to insurance. Sound dodgy to you?
it wasn't thru some of the workshops currently being slammed on PF?

fucking dodgy as-shit..

like greywolf said - the transfer of cash is indication of intent on you part, if there's a record, then there's hopefully body on the end that you can start throwing bricks at?

you could drop the importer in the shit (if it was them that have dudded you) by crafting some creative correspondence to email to customs & the AFP?

revenge always feels better if you can deliver it about 20 times.

[Mr DOHC]

it wasn't thru some of the workshops currently being slammed on PF?





LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Norbie]

I have no receipt or anything else on paper, however I do have a record of the transaction from my bank account so that's something at least.

I'm going to give this guy a chance to do the right thing, but failing that I'll be taking it much further.

[1JZ~lux]

Norbie, if you have a name and that transaction record you can find out a hell of a lot about them. Be patient and keep your eyes and ears open and you'll eventually find enough to be able to exact revenge. I'm only condoling legal revenge too before anyone gets the wrong idea.

[Mr DOHC]

how was it purchased, onliner auction, importer or mate of a mate

[Nat]

ahh great, mt previous hosting has carked it...

anyway, i had to laugh at you guys when i saw these :D
the seats alone have more plugs than an old corolla :D

Where can you track down the japanese workshop manuals?
I am looking for the JZX100 chaser one even just the wiring/electronics volume went to toyota said they couldn't help.

[oldcorollas]

Where can you track down the japanese workshop manuals?
I am looking for the JZX100 chaser one even just the wiring/electronics volume went to toyota said they couldn't help.
yahoo
JZX110? http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/109684239

there is CD for markII and chaser.. dunno what the CD's are like
http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f66591701
http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m50697944

[Billzilla]

I've got a workshop manual for the engine. Well Norbie has it right now though ....

Sorry to hear the import engine got screwed up that badly. :(

[Nat]

I've got a workshop manual for the engine. Well Norbie has it right now though ....

Sorry to hear the import engine got screwed up that badly. :(

Manual for the JZX100? Possible to rent it off you for a week or so? Pm me?

[Norbie]

mate of a mate
Bingo.
I've got a workshop manual for the engine. Well Norbie has it right now though ....(
He's talking about a JZX100 manual (for some reason), the manual you loaned me is for the 1GZ. But Phil Bradshaw has it now remember?

[Nat]

Yeah sorry, back on topic.
Hope all works out for your engine Norbie.